I remain convinced that changing to a rule of "Undrafted players may not be kept" would be beneficial to the league, and I've heard specific complaints about this (privately) from at least two other people, but nobody else spoke up, so here we are. Maybe next year.
And we still haven't addressed the difficulty in keeping prospects on your roster. Again, maybe next year.
We will maintain the current rule for clock time after missed picks: You get an 8 hour clock after your first missed pick. You get an 8 hour clock after your second missed pick. You move to a floater after your third missed pick.
After your third missed pick, we are changing the procedure from "Best ESPN player" to a floating pick.
After 2+ weeks, there hasn't been a lot of discussion on changing the Goalies. I'll make the decision here that we will stick with 4 goalies for this year. We will punt on keeper rules for goalies for a few days (or few weeks).
There are a few games to be played tonight, but I am pretty busy for the next week, so I'm posting this today, especially since there aren't any particularly close matchups that I expect to be affected by tonight's games (I will edit this if necessary).
First of all, Congratulations to TV4V for his Championship this season, and the eternal glory that comes with this victory.
I've copied the rules (italicized) and added the results to determine the draft order for the following season.
The playoff tiebreaker will be head-to-head regular season matchup by total wins. In 2016, OVCH v CHOP ended the finals in a tie. OVCH was declared the winner based on their head to head matchups (Week 4: 6-6-1 and Week 15: 5-4-4 yields full season score of 11-10-5). The second tiebreaker will be the ESPN default, which last I checked, is the higher seed.
The 4 non-playoff teams will compete in a three-week round-robin consolation bracket for the top pick overall (assuming ESPN runs it the same way as last year). We will manually track the overall head-to-head record from this three-week round robin. The best record (presumably 3-0) gets the first pick in the First Round (and subsequent odd numbered rounds). Second best overall record from the three-week round-robin earns second pick overall. Third best overall record from the three-week round-robin earns third pick overall.
If we need a tie breaker for the non-playoff teams (let's say two teams go 2-1), it will be the post-season head-to-head matchup, followed by regular season head-to-head matchups using overall record (such as 17-11), followed by overall post-season record (such as 30-12 to 28-14), followed by best overall regular season record, followed by coin flip.
The 4 playoff teams eliminated in the First Round will compete in a two-week tournament to determine picks 5-8. The two winners of Playoff Week 2 will meet in Week 3, and the winner of this matchup gets pick #5. The loser gets pick #6. The two losers of Playoff Week 2 will meet in week 3, and the winner of this matchup gets pick #7. The loser gets pick #8.
SHARK def OVCH, OTF def FREN
OTF def SHARK, OTF gets #5, SHARK gets #6
OVCH def FREN, OVCH gets #7, FREN gets #8
The 2 playoff teams eliminated in the Second Round will compete in a one week battle in Week 3. Winner gets pick #9, loser gets pick #10.
CHLS def DALL; CHLS gets #9, DALL gets #10
In the finals, the loser gets pick #11, winner gets pick #12.
TV4V def CHOP; CHOP gets #11 TV4V gets #12
Congratulations to everyone for your participation and victories, whether they be real or moral.
Hodgey will handle the disbursements. The draft board will be updated momentarily based on these standings.
A new thread will be posted soon regarding the offseason housekeeping.
The NHL Trade Deadline is April 12 at 3 pm Eastern. ESPN only allows certain, specific times to select as the trade deadline. This year, they have changed this to Mondays at noon Eastern. The C&B Regular Season ends on Sunday, April 18.
Unless we want out C&B trade deadline to be 3 hours before the NHL Trade deadline, our only realistic option is to have our trade deadline on Monday, April 19, at noon Eastern. This will be after the regular season ends, but before the start of the first NHL game that counts towards our playoffs.
Week 11 ends on March 28. Once those games are completed, this season is official, and a winner will be declared one way or another. All trades will become official, and I will update the draft board.
I'd be vehemently opposed to someone stashing someone like Hughes or LaFrenniere for what would be at least 2 seasons since it's unlikely they'd hit 82 games in their rookie season. If that could be cleaned up similar to baseball's rookie status, that would probably be ok, but the drafting aspect is also weird in that what is a prospect bottoms out during a season or just isn't working out, the fact that he can't be replaced is a real deterrent.
Just to clarify on the Reserve List, I probably explained this poorly. The numbers can be adjusted, but we would have a 19-round draft, and would draft 17 players for our rosters, and 2 players for the Reserve List. The Reserve List players (except in rare cases) would not contribute to your active roster this year. So a prospect that bottoms out isn't hurting your active roster and wouldn't need to be cut/replaced.
As a few examples of the benefits of the Reserve List:
The Red Wings 2020 4th Overall pick Lucas Raymond is spending this year in Europe. I think a few of us would be excited to draft him this year and hold onto him. It's nigh impossible to do that and waste a roster spot on him under current rules. With the Reserve List, it would be worthwhile to draft him and hold onto him for a year or two.
The Devils 2019 1st Overall pick Jack Hughes had a rather useless first season for Fantasy purposes. He played 65 games and scored 7 goals. Solly drafted him in Round 7, and if memory serves, Solly cut him after a few months. Under the new rules, Solly could have kept Hughes on a Reserve List for 2019-2020, and let him get his feet wet in the NHL for a year, before adding him to his main roster this year.
Google says the NHL no longer considers a player a rookie if they have 25 games in a preceding season, which seems like a more reasonable number than 82. (MLB's rule is 45 or 55, I don't recall exactly, so around 1/3 of a season) The age thing makes no sense to me. Cap the roster at like 5, and every year before the draft, anyone that has played more than 25 games has to be kept as a regular keeper or dropped and put in the draft pool
My initial suggestion of 82 games was a shot in the dark, and I'm ok with scaling it back to 1/3 or 1/2 of a season. In the Jack Hughes case above, we don't need to track every player so that he must move to the active roster mid-season if he hits the games threshold. It would be easy enough to check every Reserve player's eligibility in the offseason.
I didn't want to have a Cap on the number of players on a Reserve List. Some players will get to the NHL immediately or after one year. Some need 4-5 years before they break that threshold and still become elite players (goalies in particular, but some defensemen, too). I thought that drafting two players per year to start would allow us to ease into the system and work out the kinks.
I would be OK with scaling back the eligibility cut off from Round 5 to like round 8. 15 seems too drastic.
This may have been poorly explained by me. Currently, you may not use a first round pick on a keeper. Therefore, a player drafted in round 1-3 may not be a keeper the following year. One rule would be to change this, so that you may not use a second round pick or a third round pick on a keeper. Therefore a player drafted in rounds 1-5 may not be kept the following year.
Secondly, undrafted players may be keepers the following year, and we use round 18 as the de facto +2 for undrafted players. Another possible rule change would be to declare that players must be drafted to be keepers, or even stricter, that players must be drafted by a certain round, such as Round 15, in order to be keepers.
I personally am strongly in favor of adding the Reserve List, as it has really been difficult to invest in young superstar draftpicks. This gives us an ability to obtain these players while still fully competing in the current year for championships, and hold onto them for 5-6 years (Rounds 15, 13, 11, 9, and 7), but the Crosbys and Connor McConnors would return to the draft around age 24 or 25.
I'm completely against any major change to keeper rules with the only possible exception being to change it from round 3 to round 5 but still being allowed to keep guys through round 2 if you have him drafted after round 5.
Would absolutely need to change the goalie rule from 4 to 3 but we'd also have to eliminate the minimum start per week rule. The one way to fix that completely, if it's possible, is to make it more like NFL defenses and you just draft a team goalies and then you'd only be able to carry 2, leaving 4 available I think.
I'd hate removing the LW/RW designations and would probably just suggest removing one utility and one defensemen and adding one general forward position. We'd be starting one less player per day, bit we can limit bench sizes if we keep IR sizes higher.
One thing, if we make major major changes, I'm not sure how into staying I would be. I like the league a lot with how it's set up and changing keeper rules drastically or major lineup/roster changes would be an issue, possibly.
I like the idea of a prospect taxi squad but that has to be delayed at least a year or two post-COVID so we see how the leagues look and what constitutes eligibility.
To sum up, mostly opposed to adding new people unless we agree on simple rule changes and tweaks but could be convinced if it makes sense.
Hodgey and I have discussed the plans for if a fantasy season is cancelled prior to the completion of 11 weeks.
As a reminder, if we complete 11 weeks of fantasy hockey, and the season is prematurely cancelled due to a pandemic, we will declare it a full, complete season, award trophies and bounty, and move forward with the next season. 11 weeks is important, as each owner will have played every other owner exactly once at this point.
If we do not complete 11 weeks of a regular season, we will declare the entire season a do-over. We will roll the money forward from 2020-21 to 2021-22, and we will return all assets to the roster-lock from the eve of the 2020-2021 draft. Therefore all trades and draft picks made over the prior few months will be voided. The draft board from 2020-2021 moves forward to 2021-2022.
With the unexpected end of the 2019-2020 NHL Regular Season, the 2019-2020 ESPN Fantasy hockey season has come to an end, and therefore the Cupcakes and Bananas Fantasy Hockey Season has come to an end.
The Commissioners have reviewed the Cupcakes & Bananas rules and by-laws (https://natecorbitt.proboards.com/post/271539/thread), which are in Phase 2 of this post. We have found no information specifically pertaining to global pandemics or interrupted seasons. The very last line of this section states:
Any rules not explicitly stated here default to the ESPN Fantasy Hockey League Rules, if applicable.
The Commissioners are following the lead of ESPN. The 2019-2020 fantasy hockey season is complete. To be clear, there will be no extension of the season into 2020-2021. There will be no rolling over of the standings or funds to 2020-2021. All money will be paid out, and results will go into the record books.
If you did not read the ESPN explanation, it states that (for our league) the ESPN Fantasy Hockey regular season was fully completed on Sunday, March 10. ESPN has effectively thrown out the three days worth of fantasy hockey playoff games, and has used the regular season only to declare the league champion.
As such, these will be the final results of the 2019-2020 Fantasy Hockey Season:
Regular Season Champion: Porkchop Express (CHOP / panicfan / MC Retweet) - $10
League Playoff Champion: (by default) Porkchop Express (CHOP / panicfan68 / MC Retweet) - $80