[Cliffsnotes]

OFFSEASON RULES & LEAGUE MANAGEMENT THREAD



This post will be frequently edited to show the current status of the preparations for next year. See the posts below for additional details.

2016-2017 Pre-Season To Do List:

Phase 1 - Find 12 Owners - COMPLETED!
Phase 2 - Discuss Rules - COMPLETED!
Phase 3 - Offseason Trades - COMPLETED!
Phase 4 - Draft - Begun!

Here's the official list of those who have committed to 2016-2017 (updated 4/13/2016):

1. Hodgey (Psychofish) (IHOP)
2. Solly (Solky) (SOLO)
3. JD (Cliffsnotes) (JD)
4. OTF2 (otfsquared) (OTF)
5. MC Retweet (panicfan68) (CHOP)
6. ALL-CAPS Brad Smoley (Smolverine) (OVCH)
7. Zed? Ztevans? (ztevans) (ZED)
8. Sop (DevSop) (TV4V)
9. Habsy (Habs) (GALL)
10. Mmmmmmmmbaker (mbaker19) (CHLS)
11. GP3-0 (frenemy) (FREN)
12. Dallas (dallasfanforlife)

Snels is out. Dallasfan has submitted his ownership request.

This was completed before the NHL playoffs started. Good job everyone.


Phase 1 - Find 12 Owners - DONE
Phase 2 - Discuss Rules - DONE
Phase 3 - Offseason Trades
Phase 4 - Draft

Please list in the thread any rules changes or clarifications you wish to propose/discuss. Rules discussions will remain open until May 31st, followed by voting for any rule changes.

***Proposed Draft start for 2016***

Keepers Due: Tuesday, September 6th, 8 pm Eastern
Draft time: Wednesday, September 7th, 8 am Eastern



These are last year's rules (updated 4/5/2016):

C&B Fantasy Hockey League Rules and Settings 2015-2016

Teams: 12
Scoring: Head to Head (each category, weekly)

Roster: 19
Starters: 13
Bench: 6
IR: 2

Starting Positions: 2 C, 2 LW, 2 RW, 3 D, 2 Util, 2 G
Max Roster Goalies: 4 (note: does not count IR, so you could have 4 active goalies plus 2 IR goalies).

CATEGORIES:

Skater Categories: 9: G, A, +/-, PIM, TOI, SOG, HIT, BLK, STP EDIT: PPP Dropped, STP and TOI added

Goaltender Categories: 4: W, Sv, SO, SV%. (Min 3 GS to qualify for SV%) EDIT: GAA Dropped, Saves added


Divisions: 1 Division of 12 teams


Lineup Changes: Daily
Waiver Period: 1 Day
Transaction Limits: None
Trade Review: 1 Day

Votes to Veto Trade: 5

Trade Deadline: The Thursday that follows the NHL Trade deadline (ESPN only allows Thursdays). In 2015-16, the NHL trade deadline was Monday, Feb 29, 2016, which led to a fantasy trade deadline of Thursday, March 3, 2016. This is during week 21 of a 22 week regular season.


Keepers per team: 5 (max)
Keeper Deadline: Tuesday, September 8th, 8 pm Eastern
There will be a punshouse thread for keepers.

Keeper Eligibility: Players must be on your roster on the final day of Fantasy Playoffs.
Keeper Positions: 1 C, 1 RW, 1 LW, 1 D, 1 G
Positional Eligibility: Position(s) they played in 2014-15 per ESPN, and if applicable, 2015-16.
Keeper Cost: Prior Season’s Draft Slot +2 rounds (a 2014 10th round draft pick may be kept in 2015 for an 8th round pick)
Keeper Rules:
-Players drafted last year in rounds 1-3 are ineligible to be keepers.
-1st round picks may not be used for keepers.
-Drafted Players maintain their keeper cost for the entire year even if they are waived or traded from a fantasy roster.
-Undrafted Free Agents have a de facto 20th Round value, and will therefore have an 18th round keeper cost the following year.
-You may use other team’s draft picks for your keepers.
-You may keep two or more players with the same keeper cost if you have two or more draft picks in that round.
-You may also use a higher round draft pick for a keeper.
---An owner with 2 players drafted in round 18 last year may keep the players with a 16th and a 15th this year.
Keeper Cost/Value Clarification: A player maintains his keeper value long term, regardless of the draft picks used to keep the player each year. For example, if a player is drafted in 2013 in round 18, he may be kept in 2014 with a 16th round pick. If for some reason that owner is forced to use a 2014 11th round pick to keep that player, his value for 2015 will be a 14th round pick (based on original draft year), not a 9th round pick (based on the prior year's draft pick).

If you have multiple picks in a round, and are keeping one player, we'll assume you want to use the lower (worse) pick for your keeper. However, it is the owner's responsibility to confirm that the commissioners posted correctly.

Regular Season: Probably 22 weeks, if ESPN lines up the schedule properly.
Playoffs: 8 teams, 3 rounds, 1 week per round, (avoiding final week of NHL Regular season is a priority).

Draft Location: Punshouse.com
Draft time: Wednesday, September 9th, 8 am Eastern

Draft Order:
Top 4 picks go to non-playoff teams, in reverse order of regular season record.
Playoff Teams are ordered first by Playoff finish, then by regular season record.

Draft format:

19 round snake draft.
8 hour draft clock. Clock suspended from Midnight to 8 am Eastern (but picks made after midnight are encouraged).
Back to Back Picks are all on the same clock.
An owner may not have more than 19 players on their roster at any time during the draft.
---An owner on the clock with 19 players will immediately have that pick voided.
---These extra picks may be traded prior to being on the clock.
Owners with fewer than 19 players after 19 rounds may select players in a supplemental Round 20.
---Round 20 follows the snake draft. The first pick of Round 20 (if applicable) belongs to the League Champion.
---Round 20 picks count as 20th round picks for Keeper Purposes.

In the case of a mispick (i.e., an owner selects a player who has already been selected), the owner who made the mispick has a floating pick to be made at any time and the next owner is officially on the clock as of the mispick.

In the case of a clock running out, the owner will have a floating pick to make at any time and the next owner is on the clock. If an owner misses three clocks, he will automatically be given the best available player according to ESPN each time his pick comes up for the remainder of the draft, regardless of his team's needs. In other words, show up to check in or leave a list with someone.

Trades:
Players and Draft picks may be traded.
---All other assets, including Keeper Slots, future considerations, or money, cannot be traded. Conditional picks are also not allowed.
---Please post full details of trades (such as draft picks) in the Trade Thread on punshouse and have both parties confirm ASAP.

Entry Fee: $10*

*Payment must be made before the first NHL game. If you have not paid by that date, your weekly score will be set to 0 until you pay.

Playoffs:

The playoff tiebreaker will be head-to-head regular season matchup by total wins. In 2016, OVCH v CHOP ended the finals in a tie. OVCH was declared the winner based on their head to head matchups (Week 4: 6-6-1 and Week 15: 5-4-4 yields full season score of 11-10-5).

Prizes:
League Playoff Champ: $80
League Playoff 2nd place: $30
Regular Season Champion: $10


To clarify and explicitly state the rules and timing regarding keepers and the draft:

Keepers are due at 8 pm on Tuesday night prior to the draft on Wednesday morning.
At 8 pm on Tuesday, there is a complete roster and player freeze. No draft picks may be traded. No keepers may be added or changed. All keepers are locked at their designated draft pick, and those picks are forever tied to their respective keepers and may not used to select a different player.
---Any open threads regarding Keepers or Offseason Trades on punshouse will be locked.
---(The roster freeze is so that the commissioners may complete their organization and posting of the draft board. We don't want a moving target in regards to keepers or draft picks changing teams.)
The draft officially begins at 8 am.
---The commissioners may post the Draft Thread and Draft Board sooner than 8 am. Last year, it was posted at roughly 9:58 pm.

Once the Draft Thread is posted:
---The Trade and Roster freeze has ended.
---Keepers are now officially on your roster, and their respective draft picks are used.
---Keepers officially count towards your roster limit of 19; e.g. most teams will immediately have 5 players on their roster.
---The owner with the first pick may select a player before 8 am if he chooses, but the 8-hour clock will not officially begin until 8 am.
---Keepers may be traded immediately at 8 am, just like any other player that has been drafted.
---From the moment that the Draft Thread is posted, until the draft ends, all trades shall be posted (and confirmed) in the draft thread.
Once the draft is posted, it is the responsibility of every owner to review your picks in the draft thread to confirm accuracy. Please notify the commissioners if there are any errors or omissions by the end of the first day of the draft. 16 hours is plenty of time to check your draft picks and keepers.

The draft pick tracker is here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ccEmArLYhsdb_vVbIUTX-MA4Nhb8OH_GRyjxUYrrxgU/edit#gid=2

Any rules not explicitly stated here default to the ESPN Fantasy Hockey League Rules, if applicable.




Phase 1 - Find 12 Owners - DONE
Phase 2 - Discuss Rules - DONE
Phase 3 - Offseason Trades - DONE!
Phase 4 - Draft

Offseason trading is officially open, as rules and owners are now set. You may wish to wait until the draft and the first few days of free agency, just to see where each players ends up.

Please post your potential or finalized keepers and trade desires and available players in the thread.



Phase 1 - Find 12 Owners - DONE
Phase 2 - Discuss Rules - DONE
Phase 3 - Offseason Trades - DONE
Phase 4 - Draft - Begun!

A new thread will be started for Keepers once we confirm owners
A new thread will be started for the Draft once we get closer to September

[Cliffsnotes]

PHASE ONE IS COMPLETE. We just need to get Dallasfan set up in ESPN and let him change his team info.

Moving On!

Phase Two of the offseason is discussing rules. We have plenty of time for this. My only thought is that we probably want to be able to make trades in late June when the draft hits (often there are trades at the draft) and free agency hits on July 1. I will propose that we have an open discussion of rule changes until May 31st. Anything not mentioned, discussed, or proposed by May 31st *In this thread* will be carried over from last year. Based on discussions and proposals, the commissioners will create some polls around June 1st that we will keep open for a week or so. After that, we should be able to commit to the 2016-2017 rules by roughly June 7th, which should be just before the Stanley Cup Finals end.

[otfsquared]

I say we add or take away a category that way there is less chance of a tie.

[Cliffsnotes]

OTF^2: Each owner averaged about 2 ties per week. So dropping or adding a category may not help with the chance of a tie in the playoffs.

These are the categories that we could use this past year. ESPN may add or drop some of these for next year:

Skaters:
G Goals
A Assists
+/- Plus/minus
PTS Points
PIM Penalty Minutes
PPG Power Play Goals
PPA Power Play Assists
SHG Short Handed Goals
SHA Short Handed Assists
GWG Game-Winning Goals
FOW Faceoffs Won
FOL Faceoffs Lost*
SHFT Shifts
TOI Time on Ice
ATOI Average Time on Ice
HAT Hat Tricks
SOG Shots on goal
HIT Hits
BLK Blocked Shots
DEF Defensemen Points
STG Special Teams Goals
STA Special Teams Assists
STP Special Teams Points
PPP Power Play Points
SHP Short Handed Points

Goaltending Categories
GS Games Started
W Wins
L Losses*
SA Shots Against
GA Goals Against*
EGA Empty Net Goals Against*
SV Saves
SO Shutouts
MIN Minutes Played
OTL Overtime Losses*
GAA Goals Against Average*
SV% Save Percentage†
GW% Goalie Winning Percentage

[Cliffsnotes]

I'm relatively happy with the stats. But, if we want to mix things up, here's my suggestion.

If we want to emphasize goal scoring more, we can remove assists and add points. The net affect is that goals will account for roughly one-and-a-half categories (goals and points) while assists will account for roughly half a category.

I would also enjoy adding an additional keeper slot. Even if we make it effective the 2017 draft, so it doesn't benefit any existing roster. I would propose a 6th keeper slot that can be any position except goalie (or perhaps any forward position).

[DevSop]

Apr 13, 2016 14:08:30 GMT -5 Cliffsnotes said:

I'm relatively happy with the stats. But, if we want to mix things up, here's my suggestion.

If we want to emphasize goal scoring more, we can remove assists and add points. The net affect is that goals will account for roughly one-and-a-half categories (goals and points) while assists will account for roughly half a category.

I would also enjoy adding an additional keeper slot. Even if we make it effective the 2017 draft, so it doesn't benefit any existing roster. I would propose a 6th keeper slot that can be any position except goalie (or perhaps any forward position).

I definitely would be opposed to taking away assists. The categories that looked most interesting is going back and adding Faceoffs won or Faceoff % if that is an option or Defensemen points to make them a little more valuable.

[dallasfanforlife]

Rules read and noted. Now lets see this team I inherited so I can go "Moneyball" on it.

[Cliffsnotes]

Apr 13, 2016 15:10:56 GMT -5 DevSop said:

I definitely would be opposed to taking away assists. The categories that looked most interesting is going back and adding Faceoffs won or Faceoff % if that is an option or Defensemen points to make them a little more valuable.

I'm a fan of Defensemen points. However, I do think Defensemen have substantial value already in our league due to TOI and Blocks (and hits and Penalty Minutes, too). If we add Defensemen Points, I would suggest that we drop one of those defensive-leaning categories.

[Cliffsnotes]

There has been no significant input on rules. Therefore, we will keep the rules from last year. We may clarify a point or two, but otherwise the rules are the same.

Trades may commence.

[Cliffsnotes]

Hodgey and I were chatting about trading future draft picks and want to set some guidelines. Unless this turns into a full blown argument, here are a couple of new rules, which shouldn't be a big deal.

1. Trading picks for the upcoming two drafts are allowed. In the 2016-2017 season, you may trade picks for the 2017 draft and the 2018 draft. From this point forward, you may not trade picks that are three drafts away, so 2019 draft picks may not be traded.

2. If you trade picks for a future draft, you may not bail on the league. You are committing to be in the league until you can leave behind a full draft board. Or you will face the consequences of being insulted forevermore on an international hockey podcast!

[otfsquared]

I think that podcast is about beer and money now.

[Cliffsnotes]

NHL Trade Deadline is Tuesday, February 28, 2017. I have set our Fantasy League Deadline to Thursday, March 2, at 12 pm Eastern. As a reminder, ESPN only allows trade deadlines to occur on Thursdays at noon eastern. This date falls in the middle of the 20th week in our 22 week regular season.

[The Canadian Content]

Offseason note: consolation bracket needs to either mean somehitng (i.e., help determine draft order) or be eliminated entirely.

[Cliffsnotes]

For the 2017 offseason: Discussions on Consolation Bracket value (and draft slots), Can't drop lists, and Time On Ice as a stat.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

Mar 28, 2017 9:13:42 GMT -5 The Canadian Content said:

somehitng (i.e., help determine draft order)

Thanks for the explanation. I had no idea what somehitng meant otherwise.

[The Canadian Content]

Dammit.