[DevSop]

Lost's path to the quarters has gone through Prisoner, In the Heat of the Night, and Quantum Leap.

The X-Files path has went through Grey's Anatomy, St. Elsewhere, and Law & Order.

Lost has steamrolled it's way here while the X-Files has had a much tougher road, let's see how the quarterfinals go with the two expected seeds.

1. LOST




vs.


8. THE X-FILES

[DevSop]

Why even bother with this match or the next round with Lost vs. Angel/Wonder Years. Lost skates into the finals in what may be it's only competition with the Heroes/ER winner. Lost is a juggernaut and that's including a HORRIBLE second season for the most part.

[Lucky]

I still contend that Season 2 wasn't horrible at all. There were half a dozen episodes that are standout bests and any number of great stories. Its just that bizarre Lost decision to blow the "hatch" and kill the Tail section folk that make the season feel like a complete waste of time. But season 2 gets us the Bernard/Rose reunion, the Hurley character development including the tragedy, the contrast of Michelle Rodriguez's leadership skills and how things could have been for the "Losties", MR EKO, Sayid vs Jack vs Locke over Henry Gale, and Desmond.

Season 2 could have been a hell of a lot better structured. They could have given us more tail survivors so that it didn't feel like they were pointless. The "Hatch" was always pretty damn stupid and I'm clueless as to why it ever existed. They probably could have gotten the good that was in Season 2 and made it half a season. But I don't think Season 2 of Lost was any worse than say, Season 2 of Heroes. In fact, I'd argue that Lose S2 was better. Its just that whole "Hatch/Tail Section" question which makes Lost go from what feels like a well organized mystery to a reckless and pointless mind fuck.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

I actually enjoyed Season Two - if anything the problem was ABC's scheduling of it.

[Jack Quinn]

devilsoprano said:

Why even bother with this match or the next round with Lost vs. Angel/Wonder Years. Lost skates into the finals in what may be it's only competition with the Heroes/ER winner. Lost is a juggernaut and that's including a HORRIBLE second season for the most part.

Wonder Years should beat Lost

I am really starting to hate this show.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

How do you hate something you never watched?

[Jack Quinn]

Sop is going to love this, I hate the hype.

OH MY GOD ITS THE GREATEST SHOW IN TELEVISION HISTORY!!!!!

Feh. Monsters on an island, all kinds of other bullshit, you can keep it, I am not a bit interested.

[Lucky]

YAWN. And once again I think you're being an idiot. Not because you don't care for Lost but because your apathy grows to dislike because you are plain and simple a "Hater." I know lots of Yankee fans who act just like that, so its cool. I'm used to it.

[Jack Quinn]

wow Lucky called me an idiot, I am cut to the bone. So I hate the show just to hate it. Not because, as I have said, I think the premise is stupid, everything I have ever heard about it makes me not want to watch it, and in fact, makes me roll my eyes at it. Then I also have people screaming about how it is the greatest show ever. No, no reason to dislike the show at all! I am just hating on it! Too bad I can't have a dozen iron clad reasons to hate it like others. I am just a hater for no reason

Well whatever. The show looks stupid, and I have no interest in watching it. So fuck lost, and fuck the lost fans.

Now I feel better

[Lucky]

"Premise looks stupid to me, I have no interest in watching it." = apathy
"I HATE shit like that. I've never seen it but I can't stand stuff that has elements which I believe this show to have." = hate based on rough ideas and small impressions
"I hate it because people say its great. And I don't, so I hate it more." - HATER

luckylopez said:

YAWN. And once again I think you're being an idiot. Not because you don't care for Lost but because your apathy grows to dislike because you are plain and simple a "Hater." I know lots of Yankee fans who act just like that, so its cool. I'm used to it.

You were asked why you hated it and you said you hated it because of the hype. I don't care for Desperate Housewives. I think the premises and story elements I know of are stupid. I have never watched more than an episode or two because it doesn't do anything for me. I disagree with many of the opinions of fans of the show and I buck at the hype. I don't hate it for that reason. I am just apathetic to it, uninterested in the premise, and ready to argue a fan if they engage me in a reasonable argument about it. "Desperate Housewives is a parody of soap operas!" No its not. Its a soap opera. Parody means a comical look at the genre that lampoons it. The show merely mimics the elements of the genre just as dozens of other prime time soap operas did. Because it doesn't directly mimic the daytime genre doesn't make it a parody. It makes it a primetime soap opera like Melrose Place, Dallas, 90210, Grey's Anatomy, and whatever else.

YOU said you hated it because of the hype. If you don't hate it because other people love it then you shouldn't have said otherwise. If you do hate it because other people love it then why be upset at me calling you a hater? Haven't we established this? You hate stuff and people that other people love when it doesn't appeal to you. You could just not care.


P.S. I didn't call you an idiot. I said you were being an idiot. Merry Christmas, you hating bastard.

[Krydor]

Whatever wins, it should beat the shit out of whatever wins the lamest drama matchup ever.

[Jack Quinn]

I was tired when I typed that last night, so it was probably a bit more angry than it needed to be.

I hate lost because:
- the premise of the show seems ridiculous
- everything I have heard about the show makes me roll my eyes and wonder how people watch it
- I have people screaming that it is the greatest show ever, and I hate hype

So, there, maybe that clears it up a bit. Its a show that I have never had an ounce of interest in watching, ever, and things I have heard since I decided not to watch it have done nothing to change my mind.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

I liked that one time you told me you hated it because Hurley hasn't lost weight

[Stu]

While I like both, the vote goes to X-Files, because while it did have an overarching mystery that ultimately got pretty convoluted, it also had a lot of standalone episodes including some great comedy ones. Also, me likey Gillian Anderson.

What's the Dictionary Button on the polls do?

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Who claims it is the best show ever? Really? I'm a fan of the show and I don't even hear that. I work for the company that OWNS ABC and I don't hear it. In fact Grey's Anatomy & Desperate Housewives dwarf Lost on the scale of relevance and importance internally in the company.

[creepy]

Lost is gay. I tried watching it the first year. It was ok for a one season shot. But when people will watch ANYTHING that the studios put out, it just becomes a cash cow. Which is ok, I guess, because The Studios are in the business of making money, but then it's also ok for me to call it gay.

But somebody will sell a shit sandwich if someone wants to buy one.



And Lucky, the reason certain storylines don't work is because they just throw shit on the wall to see what sticks. Mindless sheep don't always buy into everything........

Jesus, I thought you guys rip The WWE for not putting much thought into storylines.

[Lucky]

If you had presented any cogent arguments in there I'd be glad to debate them. But "Lost is gay", "Lost is shit" and "Lost is mindless shit thrown at a wall" just gives me nothing to work with.

[DevSop]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Creepy wants balls in his mouth. Call it a hunch.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

devilsoprano said:

I'm becoming more and more convinced that Creepy wants my balls in his mouth. Call it a hope.

Fixed. Maybe you can get a Christmas miracle today.

[creepy]

luckylopez said:

If you had presented any cogent arguments in there I'd be glad to debate them. But "Lost is gay", "Lost is shit" and "Lost is mindless shit thrown at a wall" just gives me nothing to work with.

Except the truth, my friend. Except the truth.




And, FYI, I don't want balls in my mouth.

[Lucky]

I just went back to see you nominated Dukes of Hazzard and Fall Guy and that Murder She Wrote is your second favorite show of all time. So I'm ok with you not liking Lost.

[bigdonantonio]

Voted for X-Files. I've only seen most of season 1 of Lost. I liked it but have never gotten back into it so I guess X-Files gets my vote by default

[creepy]

luckylopez said:

I just went back to see you nominated Dukes of Hazzard and Fall Guy and that Murder She Wrote is your second favorite show of all time. So I'm ok with you not liking Lost.

I felt it was my duty to have a complete 25. And I know that my tastes in shows might be lame (and I might have a wee bit too much nostalga), but I likes what I likes.

And I tried Lost. And 24. And House. Got problems with all three, but I guess I kinda have enjoyed House in the 6 or so eps I've seen of it. Lost and 24 just seem like a good idea that wasn't as well thought out as everyone thinks it is.





Fuck this. Can't elaborate anymore. Been drinking and typing on the Wii. Don't think it'd much matter anyway.

[Lucky]

I don't think even Lost fans think the idea is as well done as you think they do. Most Lost fans I know seem to agree that:

a) the story gets dragged out WAY beyond where it should naturally be told.
b) the show has a HORRIBLE track record of answering questions and when it does it almost always gives an unsatisfying one and a pile of new questions.
c) they wasted at least half of the 2nd season on stuff that they quickly made seemingly meaningless to the show.
d) they added a host of new characters in the 3rd season that were shallow and uninteresting and clearly there for nothing more than eye candy, more story teasing, or
e) the show basically has created a world where you can't question anything that happens because they never bother to explain how the fuck anything happens. No internal rules means never having to be accused of breaking them.
f) they spend a LOT of time on certain characters and stories that the fans have grown tired.

The ratings have dropped and Lost fans have been VERY vocal in their complaints. So vocal that the Lost writers even basically offered a mea culpa by writing out two of the hated characters in a comical and dismissive fashion. But the show also had a Season 1 that a LOT of people loved and was free of many of the crutches and problems that have come up in the 2 seasons since. And since the show still manages to mix intrigue, action, and compelling characters well enough to outdo their crap in the eyes of a core audience at least.


I have no idea if 24 is well executed or not because the idea never much appealed to me so I never watched.

And you listed Fall Guy as your #6 so there's no getting out of that one as a show you just added to round out your list.

[creepy]

The Fall Guy kicks ass. And if Lost is hittin' on all cylinders like you say, then, yup...... gay.