true, but wasn't eric masterson also NAMEDROP and picking thor shouldn't eliminate him. picking thor should eliminate thor. because as you said it's the same thor. captain america is a costume and a name. thor is a person.
That's exactly why I said "when he was Thor" -- not that I expect NAMEDROP to get drafted.
For what it's worth, I'm going to try and do my picks based on roles, but I don't think it needs to be a rule that you have to. And Lucky, the reason I think Harley Quinn would be an exception compared to say, Indy, is that Indy as a Movie character totally overshadows Indy as a comics character, while since she she's been introduced as a part of the DC universe, Harley Quinn has been fully integrated into it, and been developed and used to a great extent, racking up many guest appearances, her own ongoing series and minis, as well as regular roles in major comics like Countdown and the upcoming Gotham Sirens comic. So she's very much entrenched and established as a comics character by this point, at least as much as she is as an animated tv show character(and arguably more so), while so many tv shows and movies have gotten licensed comics that it really leaves a whole of people you would not consider to really be comic characters in spirit. I could draft the SG-1 team, or Tony Montana or the main character from Repo Man, or Buffy or Kevin Nash, or KISS, and so on...because they have comics.
Well, shit, Ziggy. You've got the in. All you gotta do is draw the guy into a comic book! Dibs on the stars of Corner Kicked!
After some thought here's what I suggest.
1. Must be a comic character. You can't take a character from Batman TAS or Smallville or Heroes but if they found their way into a Heroes or Superman or Batman comic? You need only provide the evidence.
2. BUT they must have been used as a recurring character in a regular series. So some Indiana Jones mini series done to hype the film doesn't count. And some one off appearance of James Bond doesn't count. But if the Wonder Twins happened to star in two separate on going comic books? Ok, they're fair game.
3. That means if you want to draft a non-hero from comics you're welcome too. Just remember that the purpose is to build a TEAM OF SUPER HEROES. So drafting Archie or the Joker is less sensible than drafting Shane McMahon in the 1st Rd.
Do I think we SHOULD try to keep this limited to comic super heroes? Sure. But I can't think of the wording to make that clear enough so as to avoid having some huge argument in the 6th Rd when we disagree on whether Bundy and Studd were a true tag team or Batman TAS was a prime time show. The reason the movie draft was so easy and argument free is because there was no interpretation of rules or eligibility. There was no "common sense" or "judgment calls" expected. It was simple criteria that either was met or wasn't.
And Lucky, the reason I think Harley Quinn would be an exception compared to say, Indy,
Stu, I understand you and I'm not even necessarily disagreeing. I'm saying that if you base this on judgment calls then the draft is going to be filled with arguments over whether Optimus Prime is more prevalent as a comic character or other medium? Is Snake Eyes eligible or is the cartoon more important than the comic? Once the Wonder Twins joined the Justice League didn't that cover their eligibility? How many comics does Buffy have to star in before she's eligible and how many years does her "season 8" series have to run before it counts?
We'd have to hash out each situation separately and while some would be cleared up in a couple of PMs SOME will lead to fights and huge arguments. Because some of these will be pure judgment calls.
Post by The Canadian Content on Mar 16, 2009 16:04:28 GMT -5
How many roster "positions" are there? Strength, flight, martial arts, magic, teke powers, brains...are there any more real "categories" of powers?
I ask for two reasons:
1. I wouldn't want to make up a list of roster slots that excludes someone.
2. Doesn't this just open the door for mid-round arguments over who qualifies for what positions? (For example, Superman clearly fits strength and flight, but could the argument be made that he also fits the brains category? There are far better examples, but I don't want to namedrop someone who isn't very obviously going to get drafted early.)
If we did go that route, we could do, say, two at each position and 2-3 UTIL/Flex slots where you can draft any power.
OK, when I first read the tread title, I was in, but now after reading the thing, I would be way over my head since there's some stuff you guys talk about and I have no clue what they are (not that much, but enough to make me feel out). I know my basic marvel and some DC, but that's about it.
That's all you really need, Habsy. At the moment, we're just kicking around logistics. When it comes down to it, the first few rounds will be the major players getting picked, then after that, there will be well known guys left on the board because some of us will draft more obscure characters. I wouldn't worry about running out of ideas.
Yeah, its gonna be hard to avoid fights with the "roster eligibility" stuff. Utilities spots would help save some trouble but you're still going to have huge arguments over how smart Superman is or how fast someone needs to be to be a "Speedster."
Like I said, I'm pretty sure DC and Marvel actually DO rate that stuff for the purpose of games. But those games are played by MUCH geekier people than me so I have no idea.
This really helps drive home what I was talking about before. Are there enough speedsters for this to be a legit category? I can think of three guys who fit, and one of them's Supes. So if we include the category, are there enough characters to fill it (and if there are, are we going to be reaching for shitty characters simply to fill a slot)?
If we leave the category out, though, that essentially eliminates the other two speedsters I can think of, as they don't fit any other categories.
how about this? what if we say you have to appear in comic books FIRST and say "sorry harley quinn. thems the breaks." it's a clear cut rule with no room for judgment. either they appear in comics first or they didn't. and if that means someone finds some obscure autobot that appeared in the comics before making it's way to the cartoon, then so be it. you got yourself a big transforming robot in your superteam.
Also, can we clear up where Renee Montoya fits in, considering that while she was created for the cartoon originally, she was pre-emptively put into the comics before her animated debut. Meaning she technically appeared in comics first, but was conceived initially for the cartoon. And I'd say newspaper strips count because it's still a comic(or "Sequential Art" if you want to define it more technically). I'd also say Thor counts too because he's a version of Thor unique to comics.
yes, montoya did make it into a comic before she her first appearance aired on television, even though she was developed for the show first. so just like my autobot example, montoya would be eligible for the draft.
see, no judgment calls. clean and clear. did they appear in comics first, yes or no? circumstances doesn't matter.
This really helps drive home what I was talking about before. Are there enough speedsters for this to be a legit category?
I think the quick answer is "yes." I can think of a dozen "speedsters" off the top of my head and another dozen guys like Superman who have super speed as a skill even if its just one of many. And it took me 2 clicks of links to get to a long list of "speedsters" on Wiki.
Heck, did you know there are AT LEAST four people who have called themselves "The Flash" over the years? And I'm betting more.
Now, are there enough MAINSTREAM speedsters so that you, habs, and everyone else can fill the spot with someone you actually know? I don't know. I'm sure Ziggy, Serg, and I could dig up obscure speedsters in the late rounds we'd be perfectly content with. But will habs be stuck taking a random name off a list? Possibly. In some ways that's not really unlike a sports fantasy draft where maybe you're stuck scraping for a closer. But it also risks ruining the fun.
I REALLY like the idea of roster spots the more I think about it but its probably more hassle than its worth for the majority.
EDIT: And yeah, while I'm sure there's people who are excluded from this that make me sad Ziggy's solution IS the easiest. Clean and clear, no fights. Its not the most open method but its probably the easiest.
people will be disappointed when there are guys they can't pick, but look, there's a whole thread of GREAT movies people couldn't pick in the movie draft. this shit happens and it didn't ruin everyone's fun there so i'm sure we'll be fine here too.
I actually think that's a nice 10 spot team. Add 5 Util slots, maybe. Maybe a "Bank" or a "Brain/Scientist." If we don't do the roster thing I might honestly want to do a 2nd one later under this format.