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Thoughts?

[The Canadian Content]

It would be better if GL wasn't the only one who got a gatling gun penis.

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Better?

[The Canadian Content]

Much better.

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Thought about giving WW gatling boobs, but I just did what you asked for.

[Doug]

Like every other reboot DC has ever done, I don't think it will last. Nine or Ten years down the road someone will decide the old stuff was better and bring it all back. That is why boring characters like Hal and Barry keep getting second chances over there better developed replacements.

[DevSop]

Reboot - so fucking stupid.

The same day digital - brilliant.

DC confuses me with how smart they run but then they fuck it up with how stupid they can be. The $2.99 price point was a great idea, but they're going to ruin it by rebooting 52 new comics in a month.

[Stu]

What I can't get my head around with this is all the current storylines that seemingly still have a lot of stuff planned for their futures. Grant Morrison's talked about "Batman Inc."'s SECOND year. The Green Lantern franchise has so many unanswered questions right now, as well all the storylines Brightest Day seemed to set up for Aquaman, Hawkman, Swamp Thing etc. And what about:
Batwoman? her ongoing was delayed so much and last word about it was the artist saying September is when it would fnally begin, which would put it as beginning with this reboot.
Xombi and other Milestone stuff?
Grant Morrison's Multiversity project?
The Earth One graphic novels? If they're rebooting the main universe anyway, wouldn't those be kinda redundant?

[The Canadian Content]

Why don't they just start an Ultimates-style line that they can reboot every five years or so and leave their "real" universe as is (i.e., rebooted every 10 years or so)?

[Stu]

Creative Team List and Covers for some of the relaunched titles:
dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/02/the-new-justice/

[OpTard]

this fucking teen titans reboot looks atrocious. the costumes are terrible. they're dropping their history. and what little they've said about the characters sounds horrible.



this will also be the first time in 20 years that tim drake doesn't have his own series. that fucking blows.

[murgen]

That Titans art is depressing. It looks like a '90's Wildstorm title.
The reboot does worry me, but we're getting a new JLI series, and they're continuing the stories out of Brightest Day. Those should be good.

[OpTard]

so i had a thought today about something ridiculous in in this new DCU.

as we all know this is a reboot that isn't a reboot. and apparently the only reason this isn't a reboot that i can see is batman and green lanterns histories remain (seriously. WHO else? i've seen nothing. everyone else seems to be starting from scratch).

so batman's history, while remaining, still has to reconcile with this new timeline. there's 2 things they've made clear. superman is the first super hero, and the JLA only got together 5 years ago. so how long was superman at it before the JLA got together? 1 year? 2? 5? that's pretty important because that talks to how much time there's been for all this batman shit to have happened. not storylines specifically, but just the robin situation. in i can't imagine more than 10 years and possibly as little as 6, there's been FOUR robins? in that short time dick grayson has been robin then nightwing then batman then now nightwing again. 8-10 years i might buy this. 5-7? i'm not so sure. how old was dick when he became robin now? how long was jason or tim robin for? why are they keeping jason at all in this truncated timeline?

i dunno. just more stupidity.

[Stu]

Jul 1, 2011 19:37:08 GMT -5 OpTard said:

as we all know this is a reboot that isn't a reboot. and apparently the only reason this isn't a reboot that i can see is batman and green lanterns histories remain (seriously. WHO else? i've seen nothing. everyone else seems to be starting from scratch).

I think you've just not read enough of the interview stuff that's came out recently(and there's even stuff I've missed), because not all heroes will be starting fresh. Tony Daniel said of Hawkman that he's already been Hawkman for a while and he's just writing him as if this is the first time we've met him(which like the way the solicitations are written all seems to be for the benefit of the new readers they're trying to attract), but the recent Brightest Day stuff with him seems to be included. In fact, if you actually read the solicits for Aquaman(Aquaman's renouncing his throne, so it's clear he's not starting from scratch as the long lost king), Swamp Thing("Alec Holland has got his life back",so the fact he's been dead all these years while Swampy was a plant creature who just had his memory until recently is still in continuity) and Hawk and Dove(Dove's called a new partner, and her dating Deadman is mentioned), they all make it clear that the recent Brightest Day stuff is part of those characters' history.
You've got a point about the Batman stuff, because a lot of that's meant to still be in continuity, but 5 years of the JLA doesn't necessarily mean 5 years of Batman. He could have been doing it longer than the modern age of superheroes has been around (which is always something I figured would make more sense for his story, that he's trying to make a difference at a time when no one else will, because the Year One story taking place in a world where Superman has already debuted just feels weird). Superman being "the first superhero" might just be a matter of semantics/technicality/hyperbole, because DC have also explained the JLA being the first Superteam by saying that there've been super powered people in the past who've been viewed with suspicion, so "Superhero" might just be a term that's not been used until Superman showed up. Which would be dumb, but there you go. But there's also the fact the new version of Stormwatch are meant to have been up and running for a long time in the DCU's history(and might have a connection to Demon Knights), so with that you've already got Superpowered people coming before Superman.
Overall though I think there's too many presumptions being made AND things writers/editors are saying being taken at face value, and that no comment about certain characters/continuity points automatically means they never happened. I don't think they're being as rigid as that. They'll have a solid idea of what they want the DCU to be initially, but they've kept a lot of stuff vague to give them options down the line, I reckon. We won't know till september.
I do think it's cool that they recently said they've told writer's they don't have to write for the trade, and can just tell the story they're doing in as many issues as they feel is right and let the publisher's worry about how it's going to be collected, so we should be seeing a leaner, less padded out pace to things.

[OpTard]

i don't think they're planning on playing technicalities with superman being the first superhero. i think it's too big point to futz around with. maybe i'm wrong but just making him the first public superhero sort of takes all the strength out of the claim. we'll see what they do. but i don't think anyone, especially batman, is happening before superman. i don't think stormwatch is predating superman.

and you're right, and i said, 5 years of the JLA doesn't mean 5 years of batman. but going under my assumption it does mean less years than superman, probably only by months but less just the same. so i think how many years that actually is becomes pretty significant when you're 4 robins deep. and on top of that, if it is as few years at it seems and looking at the ages of dick, jason tim and damien, and how little of a time the first 3 must've spent as robin each for the timeline to work, it looks like bruce goes younger and younger with each robin, which is really fucking creepy.

and starting from scratch doesn't mean origin starts today. hawkman's been around but we're just meeting him? that's starting over. i expect much of brightest day is still kept in with it's relation to GL and the lantern mythology. and i have no doubt lots of things that have actually happened with show up all over the place. most of it just loosely relating to the orignal events i'm sure though. and what does he mean we're just meeting him? we as in the reader or we as in the world? has he been part of the JLA in these 5 years they've been around? what does just meeting him mean exactly? what's for sure is his comics haven't happened.

and that's the thing. outside of batman and GL (and related titles), i don't think there's any other cases of being able to hold an actual comic in your hand and say "yes. this is straight up. this happened." that's a fucking reboot.

[Stu]

Jul 1, 2011 21:14:13 GMT -5 OpTard said:

i don't think stormwatch is predating superman.

Martian Manhunter's membership in Stormwatch very much bridges the DC Universe with the Wildstorm? Do you explore this new shared universe at all in this series? Or is it, Stormwatch is now in the DCU and let's move on with it?

Stormwatch has always been part of the DC Universe.

Huh?

Exactly. No. I see this is going to be my life now. OK. In terms of our world, no, that was a separate universe. In terms of the new DC Universe, Stormwatch has always been a part of the DC Universe. They haven't suddenly arrived in a blaze of energy. They've always been here. And when I say, always, I mean, way, way back. There are all sorts of interesting historical things here.

So sounds like Stormwatch do predate Superman, but are probably going to be a more secret organisation than the JLA

and starting from scratch doesn't mean origin starts today. hawkman's been around but we're just meeting him? that's starting over. i expect much of brightest day is still kept in with it's relation to GL and the lantern mythology. and i have no doubt lots of things that have actually happened with show up all over the place. most of it just loosely relating to the orignal events i'm sure though. and what does he mean we're just meeting him? we as in the reader or we as in the world? has he been part of the JLA in these 5 years they've been around? what does just meeting him mean exactly? what's for sure is his comics haven't happened.

The copy for the first issue reads very much like an origin story. Is that the case? And if so, was it necessary to do an origin due to the character's long, and sometimes convoluted, backstory?

It's not an origin story, but the approach is, as if we're meeting this guy for the first time. He's already Hawkman. He's already lost the love of his life. It took me several months to work through his initial arc. It was very, very hard work. He's setting up new roots in NYC. I'm establishing a supporting cast of characters. Some are human, some are more than human. Some friend, some foe. I didn't feel I had the luxury of a great rogues gallery, such as the likes of The Flash or Batman. I need to make challenges for Carter Hall/Hawkman from the ground up.

My first priority was to introduce a character who will eventually be his nemesis. His arch-enemy. I'm very excited about that.

"New roots", as in there's a past but that's being left behind. And Hawkwoman's been "lost", like she was at the end of BD. I see it as not much different from when an established character gets a new ongoing series, and because its new, there tends to be a different direction than the last time, often in a new location, with new supporting cast and it works to re-introduce the character, even though their history is still intact.

and that's the thing. outside of batman and GL (and related titles), i don't think there's any other cases of being able to hold an actual comic in your hand and say "yes. this is straight up. this happened." that's a fucking reboot.

See, I think the term DC are reportedly using behind the scenes ("Soft Reboot") is most accurate, since I associate a full reboot as completely eliminating everything that came before and starting over from the beginning. It's all horribly complicated for me to define in general. Some characters definitely are getting new origins/reboots(Teen Titans for instance, which does raise questions with me concerning the first generation characters who were on that team and still in continuity), but the universe as a whole still retains a lot of what came before, and adds new stuff. It's no more a reboot than "post-crisis" was a reboot. As for other books besides Batman and GL that seem to retain their history...there's the Legion books, Hawk and Dove like I mentioned, not a lot has been said about Flash that makes it sounds like it'll be radically different. I genuinely expect though that DC's approach to this will largely just be non-commital about it and not bring up continuity much in the titles where they can help it.

[OpTard]

First of all, thanks for the brightest day spoiler there. Appreciate it. Second, hawkgirl being lost could mean brightest day or could mean that thousands of times that's happened over history.

Ill give you legion. They are keeping that. But that's easy. Its the future. You don't have to worry about fitting it into the truncated lifespan of the dc universe.

Hawk and dove hasn't had a comic in 20 years. If that. I don't know what you think they're keeping.

And this is a waaaaaay bigger reboot than crisis was. Crisis brought changes, yeah. It brought changes in history because it had to reconcile all these new elements from other earths into its history, but if you look at it from practical standpoint it didn't really reboot much. In almost every case, the comic you read last month in any given series is still what happened last month. Superman, titans, flash, even crisis itself happened. It was actually much less of a reboot on a series level than most people think of it. This is a way bigger overhaul.

The way you're defending its lack of rebootness sounds a lot more like you drinking the koolaid than showing this not being a reboot. Hawkmans long history is gone. But they say he's been around a while and point to some core element of his concept and you're like "see! Its just like its always been!"

have you seen this message to retailers they just released? They dodge every question. THEY'RE POSING THE QUESTIONS and they still dodge them. They really don't want to admit what this is. But it is.

And god, those costumes. All of them. Titans is the worst, but there's not a single decent one in the bunch.

[Stu]

Jul 2, 2011 8:56:48 GMT -5 OpTard said:

First of all, thanks for the brightest day spoiler there. Appreciate it. Second, hawkgirl being lost could mean brightest day or could mean that thousands of times that's happened over history.

First off, sorry I spoiled the ending of a series that's been finished for two months which you gave no prior indication that you haven't read, even though I brought it up earlier in the topic.

Hawk and dove hasn't had a comic in 20 years. If that. I don't know what you think they're keeping.

They're keeping the fact that Dove is Hawk's NEW partner, which in all likelihood means the backstory of the original Dove (Don Hall) is still intact, as well as the other solicitation info referencing the events of Brightest Day, a book they were featured characters of and one that was a Green Lantern related title, which is something YOU YOURSELF said will probably have their events intact. Hawk and Dove haven't had a comic in 20 years because for a good chunk of that time the originals were dead, the replacements were teen girls who only got a few guest appearances at best, and DC has only recently tried to give them more exposure since the end of Blackest Night.

The way you're defending its lack of rebootness sounds a lot more like you drinking the koolaid than showing this not being a reboot.

Defending? This isn't about good or bad. You want me to list a bunch of things I think suck about the relaunch, I will, cos there's plenty, but this is about what this relaunch is and what it isn't. For a lot of the stuff I've said about things not being totally redone, I've actually provided quotes and solicitation info that point more to things being kept that thrown out(with the specific characters I brought up. Others definely are definitely redone, and some seem a bit more ambiguous to me).

Hawkmans long history is gone. But they say he's been around a while and point to some core element of his concept and you're like "see! Its just like its always been!"

I didn't mean to be so difinitive in my statement there. Not "it's just like it's always been!" but just that I think stuff from the past will still be there. JSA probably won't, given the JLA "first superteam" thing, but recent series stories I could see still being part of his history in some form. But I'm mostly just saying "wait and see", rather than trashing something I haven't read yet, even if there's plenty in the launch I couldn't give a shit about(A Vampire book, DC? REALLY? Really striking while the iron's hot there, aren't you?). I don't know why you're personally so 100% sure that all of Hawkman's history is gone, and that his past comics definitely never happened.

have you seen this message to retailers they just released? They dodge every question. THEY'RE POSING THE QUESTIONS and they still dodge them. They really don't want to admit what this is. But it is.

Not read it. I've mostly been reading what the creative teams have been saying, because that's what I care about, not some PR shit the executives roll out because they're worried about business.

And god, those costumes. All of them. Titans is the worst, but there's not a single decent one in the bunch.

Point.

[OpTard]

for the record, i read everything in trade. so unless the thread is for specifically otherwise, spoilers on. only 2 of 3 volumes is out for brightest day. now there's certain things you can't get around knowing when you read in trade and care to be any part of the comic book world. swamp thing? yeah. i'm on that. that's everywhere. elektra was a skrull, human torch died, certain peeps came back to life at the end of blackest night. so those big things i'm not gonna bitch about 2 months after the fact. but smaller story points and character fates that aren't gonna end up on the cover of (the now defunct) wizard? yeah, you don't know where anyone is in their reading, issues or trades. 2 months isn't really that long. let's all be sensitive. but if we're looking for a barometer of safety, i think trade release is a great point to say "ok. nowd you have no excuse. it's been long enough. bruce willis was dead the whole time. i can say it."

on to other points, i don't mean you're defending the quality of ideas. i mean defending their claims that it isn't what it is. On the point of hawkman (and hawk and dove for that matter), i agree most, or at least the core, of what happened there is gonna stay. it's got the GL connection, even if he really wasn't part of the book in a major way. it's part of his mythology. and for hawk and dove, they've had so little involvement in anything it's easy say yeah, we're keeping the major events in their life. they've had 3. they existed. one died. then brightest day happened. you don't need to reboot hawk and dove because there's nothing to reboot.

but look at green arrow. here's a guy that they've admitted is pretty much getting booted hard. that plus the short lifespan of the JLA has a major effect on hawkman's history. he's had his own series here and there over the years, but much like hawkeye in the avengers, much of his development was done in the pages of JLA. when writers of team books aren't allowed to majorly affect your supermans and batmans and captain americas and iron mans, they focus on these other guys. so where's the antagonistic relations ship with green arrow gonna be in this "kept" history? where does something like identity crisis come into play?

that one image they released shows that it looks like both GA and hawkman are gonna end up in the new JLA, so what, are we gonna have to watch them try to recreate the magic and do what's already been done all over again? maybe this isn't a reboot. maybe this is spider-man: one more day for the whole DCU.

and on the subject of doing it all over again, where does this JLI team fit in? is this the reunion of one of the greatest eras of the justice league or this just some new team batman puts together. is there room for the JLI in the JLA's short 5 year history? if it is a new team, are we gonna have to sit through them trying to recreate the "one punch" and watch as the moment doesn't have near the power it did the first time?

oh wait, i just took a quick look at the solicits. it's the latter.

"With the growing presence of super beings around the world, the United Nations resolves to create a new group called Justice League International.
Batman, Booster Gold, Green Lantern Guy Gardner, August General in Iron, Fire, Ice, Vixen and Rocket Red are charged with promoting unity and trust – but can they reach that goal without killing each other first?"

so basically it's a rehash, but without the creative trio that made the concept work in the first place. and no ted kord. awesome. i like dan jurgens, so i'm sure the stories will be good, but without the history who cares about this team?

speaking of ted kord, is jaime the 3rd blue beetle or the 1st? or is he even the 2nd? i really never cared much for him to begin, but he's even less interesting without the legacy. but is there room for ted kord in this new DCU? his development came from being part of a team that no longer existed. so why have him? to be killed by max lord? wow. there's a death that's now meaningless cuz who cares about ted kord?

honestly, i'm just ranting now and not even on topic of my original point, which is that this is in fact a reboot. and picking and choosing small occurrences or core character elements that you almost can't lose does not change that fact.

and quite frankly, even that point is off the point i was really originally making which is just that in this new young DC universe, they're packing a lot, maybe too much, bat history into a very short amount of time. 4 robins deep? dick's evolution of robin to nightwing to batman to nightwing? a facebook friend put it perfect. a list that long in that short of time on a business resume reads as "can't hold a job". (and lets just forget about the thought of how this transition took place without there being a titans for dick to run to).

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[Stu]

Jul 2, 2011 13:01:59 GMT -5 OpTard said:

for the record, i read everything in trade. so unless the thread is for specifically otherwise, spoilers on. only 2 of 3 volumes is out for brightest day. now there's certain things you can't get around knowing when you read in trade and care to be any part of the comic book world. swamp thing? yeah. i'm on that. that's everywhere. elektra was a skrull, human torch died, certain peeps came back to life at the end of blackest night. so those big things i'm not gonna bitch about 2 months after the fact. but smaller story points and character fates that aren't gonna end up on the cover of (the now defunct) wizard? yeah, you don't know where anyone is in their reading, issues or trades. 2 months isn't really that long. let's all be sensitive. but if we're looking for a barometer of safety, i think trade release is a great point to say "ok. nowd you have no excuse. it's been long enough. bruce willis was dead the whole time. i can say it."

Fair enough, I just didn't figure you hadn't read BD as you didn't say anything when I mentioned it.

on to other points, i don't mean you're defending the quality of ideas. i mean defending their claims that it isn't what it is. On the point of hawkman (and hawk and dove for that matter), i agree most, or at least the core, of what happened there is gonna stay. it's got the GL connection, even if he really wasn't part of the book in a major way. it's part of his mythology. and for hawk and dove, they've had so little involvement in anything it's easy say yeah, we're keeping the major events in their life. they've had 3. they existed. one died. then brightest day happened. you don't need to reboot hawk and dove because there's nothing to reboot.

Another reason I think BD will definitely be included for those characters is that the second trade of that will be out during the first arc of the new titles, so it's an obvious thing for DC to promote as a companion piece to the titles. And that leads back to Blackest Night, which does in fact touch on the DCU's history.

but look at green arrow. here's a guy that they've admitted is pretty much getting booted hard. that plus the short lifespan of the JLA has a major effect on hawkman's history. he's had his own series here and there over the years, but much like hawkeye in the avengers, much of his development was done in the pages of JLA. when writers of team books aren't allowed to majorly affect your supermans and batmans and captain americas and iron mans, they focus on these other guys. so where's the antagonistic relations ship with green arrow gonna be in this "kept" history? where does something like identity crisis come into play? That one image they released shows that it looks like both GA and hawkman are gonna end up in the new JLA, so what, are we gonna have to watch them try to recreate the magic and do what's already been done all over again? maybe this isn't a reboot. maybe this is spider-man: one more day for the whole DCU.

They said Identity Crisis was something that's still in continuity as well, fwiw. I haven't read much about Green Arrow's new title. I know he's getting a support team and won't be as low tech. If he's still a liberal and Carter's still a conservative, that should be enough for them to clash at least. Plus the first arc of JLA will be how the team got together, so they might establish the character dynamics there and then just rely on the reader to get that 5 years later they know each other pretty well and have been through ups and downs.

and on the subject of doing it all over again, where does this JLI team fit in? is this the reunion of one of the greatest eras of the justice league or this just some new team batman puts together. is there room for the JLI in the JLA's short 5 year history? if it is a new team, are we gonna have to sit through them trying to recreate the "one punch" and watch as the moment doesn't have near the power it did the first time? oh wait, i just took a quick look at the solicits. it's the latter. so basically it's a rehash, but without the creative trio that made the concept work in the first place. and no ted kord. awesome. i like dan jurgens, so i'm sure the stories will be good, but without the history who cares about this team?

Maybe they'll simply retcon the JLI roster as having been the JLA lineup for a year or so of the team's history? The JLA haven't always been confined to America in their activities. Even if they are starting again, why would they necessarily have to recreate anything, like the one punch etc? I'm actually looking forward to JLI because it seems to be taking the concept of them being an international team more seriously, and including more diverse and interesting characters like August General from the Great Ten, which I thought was a really underrated mini-series. I'm not saying there's no room for humour, but if I would really like it if we could keep the nostalgia and contrived "BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!"s to a minimum. I like the character development Booster Gold's went through since 52(barring the many stories where he mopes about Ted being dead), and have no wish to see him revert back to being an idiotic sellout again.

[OpTard]

it won't be bwahaha. it'll be jurgens, so it'll probably have its light moments but not be slapstick comedy. i think they know better than to try that without giffen/demattais/macguire. and hey, i like the stories where he mopes about ted being dead. but then, i mope about ted being dead so i relate (on a side note, booster's relationship with jaime based on him being ted's legacy is pretty much the only think i like about the new blue beetle. as much as i don't care for the character, i was initially bummed to see that he wouldn't be in the new JLI series for that reason. of course, now that booster's relationship with ted and even ted existence are all in question, i can't say it bothers me anymore).

but there is this part of those solicits: "but can they reach that goal without killing each other first?"

so i see a book that's going for a very similar team dynamic as the original, just (most likely) without the overt slapstick comedy.

also, while blackest night will be in, i'm sure any part of it's connection to DC history that conflicts with what they're going for will be out

[Stu]

Jul 2, 2011 16:45:30 GMT -5 OpTard said:

it won't be bwahaha. it'll be jurgens, so it'll probably have its light moments but not be slapstick comedy. i think they know better than to try that without giffen/demattais/macguire. and hey, i like the stories where he mopes about ted being dead. but then, i mope about ted being dead so i relate (on a side note, booster's relationship with jaime based on him being ted's legacy is pretty much the only think i like about the new blue beetle. as much as i don't care for the character, i was initially bummed to see that he wouldn't be in the new JLI series for that reason. of course, now that booster's relationship with ted and even ted existence are all in question, i can't say it bothers me anymore).

I just feel they didn't need to keep going back to that particular well over and over again. From my count there were FOUR fucking stories dedicated to it, and really, the "Blue and Gold" one where Booster actually saves Ted but causes as a fucked up alternate timeline was the best one. The Blackest Night one was kinda obligatory. The timetravelling team up that was a Generation Lost tie-in was fun but ruined by all the "Ted talks about the future and makes Booster sad because he's reminded Ted will die" moments.
Can I ask with no sarcasm is there anything you actually dislike about Jaime that doesn't have anything to do with him replacing Ted? I really liked his book. It was fun and lighthearted, especially during a time when being a teen hero in the DCU was pretty depressing with all the Titans dying and Tim Drake's depression, and it avoided a number of cliches like the played out "keeping the secret from the ones you love" angst by having pretty much all Jaime's friends and family knowing about it from the start. There was also a great JLI reunion in it when Jaime had his big showdown with The Reach too.

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i liked cully hammer's artwork. i like the idea of the scarab armor. but i guess neither of those have to do with jaime himself.

no, nothing really. i remember an issue in space where he teamed up with guy. i remember liking guy. i also remember dropping the book shortly after that as i wasn't really enjoying it.

[Stu]

So Superman's pretty much a reboot
I don't really mind the changes too much. The erasure of the marriage is going to draw obvious "One More Day" comparisons, but it seems more to me they're "setting back the clock" on Lois and Clark than going "fuck you, no classic pairing for you". Her current boyfriend better not be whatsisdick from Returns though. The Action Comics costume is kinda dumb looking, which is odd as on the original image they've been soliciting I thought it looked like it could work on a temporary basis. Dunno about BOTH Kents being dead. I suppose it's a way to make him more modern by cutting the ties back to the country life and rooting him more in the big city, and Smallville was kinda played out as something he'd always be going back to, but still...
His powers still developing...I hope it's all and not just flight. Having him go through a tougher time of it when fighting guys villains* make for more exciting stories.

*though nothing has yet been said about villains at all, and I'm curious as to what Lex Luthor is going to be like here.

[Stu]

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