[williamssl]

We've got a debate brewing in the Ask Loki thread in Optard's Stupid House on whether Superman's a knockoff of Thor or vice versa. Help us settle this once and for all! This is comics-related so posting here!

[Batman]

psychofish said:

Well, he does have a hammer. And, actually, since Thor's a mythological figure dating back to the time of the Vikings and Supes is from the 30s? 40s? I'd have to say Supes is the knockoff. Also, Superman sucks, whereas Thor doesn't.

Edited to add: So there.

Allow me to clarify. This guy?



Not a Superman knockoff. This guy?



Fruity, long-haired Superman with a hammer.

[The Canadian Content]

vu.morrissey-solo.com/moz/perez/news/030904b.htm

Nuff said.

[Evil Scotty]

I like this better
www.rogers-md.net/v/wallpapers/supes_jla_avengers.jpg

[The Canadian Content]

Yeah, I had a feeling that one might come up. I was awfully pissed when I first saw the cover. The story worked, though, so I forgave it a bit. I still don't believe Supes should've been able to lift the hammer, but in a crossover storyline, DC's iconic character needs a massive ego stroke to be able to hang with the Marvel guys.

[williamssl]

As an alternative to this poll, perhaps we need a 16 superhero bracket tournament, decided by voting, on who the ultimate superhero is. It would have to feature Supes, Thor, Hulk, Wolverine, etc (just no fucking Martian Hunter, Plastic Man, or Vision).

Step 1: the pool of 16 (or 8 if that's too much)
Step 2: the brackets
Step 3: the voting

I'd take the lead but haven't been active enough in the comics space in recent years. Can I get an "i'll do it"?

[Batman]

psychofish: Are you seriously saying that Superman should not be considered "worthy" enough to lift the hammer?

Texas: That sounds like fun, but I don't know if it would seem really meaningful with just six people voting.

If we were to do it, I don't think the fact that you haven't read comics for a while would effect things much. If we were to start with 16 classic superheroes, I just can't imagine any of them would be newer than 1974 (Wolverine and Punisher).

If we were to do it I'd say the 16 should be:

Marvel:
Spiderman, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Daredevil, Wolverine, Punisher, ???.

DC:
Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Flash, Wonder Woman, Robin, ???.

I would think those 14 would be locks, leaving two spots for us to argue over. Silver Surfer? Dr. Strange? Thing? Green Arrow? Ferro Lad? (Hey! He sacrificed his life for the solar system!)

I'm still not sure if there are enough comic book fans here to make this work and be fun, though.

[OpTard]

first of all, neither superman or thor is a knockoff of the other. i don't really get why that debate would exist. cuz they're both really strong?

OMG HULK IZ SUPREMAN~!~!1~!~!~!11~!

ok, i think step one should be voting on the teams. here's what a propose, everyone PMs williams (if he in fact will be leading this thing. and by the way, i'll volunteer to be debuty if he wants a little help) with our vote of 6-8 heroes from each universe. we'll do it with PMs so no one infulences anyone elses votes. characters with the most votes will become each universe's final teams. this way, while most of the heroes will be a given (spidey, supes, cap), i think each team will end up with one or 2 fun surprises there. after that, brackets will be set up, we'll figure out the rules of engagement, then it's game on.

so what do you guys think?

[The Canadian Content]

Sergei -- Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Edited because OpTard posted whilst I was typing. If williams is willing to accept PMs on this, I've got my guys figured. I'll wait for the word.

[williamssl]

I'm game for running it and will take the Retard up on help if and as needed.

The only sticking point is what serge brings up re: volumes - I don't know that there are enough people over here regularly or in general to have a meaningful challenge.

And since I don't know who's into this and who isn't on the OOther boards, not sure who to approach to pull them in and over. So once we get the brackets set and we are ready to launch this, my ask would be that people promote it to those OOver there who give a shit or would be interested so that we can have some real fun.

So PM me with your top 8 from DC and Marvel (or if there's an independent/other include them as well), and we'll go with the top vote getters to set the brackets.

[OpTard]

i would say hold off on PMing the votes just yet. let's figure out the rules and participants first. i would also suggest moving this to the house of stupid or the games forum (i don't know if the games forum is just for wrestling related games), which is exactly what i plan to do. but i'll leave it here a little while longer for people to see.

i think once people see a thread title that mentions this as a game, we'll get more people in than would click into just a "superman vs thor" thread. so everyone sit tight, and williams, i'm gonna PM you so we can figure this out....

[williamssl]

Retard and I have discussed and have a gameplan for this. By this weekend there will be an announcement in the Stupid House on the launch of this, layout of the rules, and the request to have people PM me by a certain date with their top candidates. There will be some on-site promotion of this as well to drive eyeballs, and we'll try and make this as open as possible i.e. doesn't have to be just avid comic junkies to play...at least 60% of the contestants are mainstream enough for everyone to know who they are, etc.

Psycho - i've got your list and thx - if you want to change it between now and the announcement, just let me know.

Looking forward to it.

[Loki]

I am so in. Thanks guys. This looks like fun. I'll have mine into you by Monday, as I'll be offline all weekend.

[OpTard]

don't worry loki, there'll be plenty of time to hand in your lists

[Batman]

operationretard said:

first of all, neither superman or thor is a knockoff of the other. i don't really get why that debate would exist. cuz they're both really strong?

OMG HULK IZ SUPREMAN~!~!1~!~!~!11~!

Well, mainly to give psychofish a hard time, since he likes Thor so much.

But seriously: red cape, blue suit, yellow belt, strength, flight.... It's almost easier to list the (mostly cosmetic) differences: Long blonde hair, weather powers instead of Superman's vision powers, flowery speech, Funky hat and hammer instead of Red "S" and sleeves, doctor alter ego instead of reporter....

The most substantive difference is that the alter-ego is actually wimpy, instead of just pretending to be, and he changes from one to the other in a flash of lightning.

Of course, that's ripped off from Shazam!


(edited to add): Ha!



Tex: I'll send you my top 8.

[OpTard]

alot of your comparisons are apples and oranges. but i'll go through them one on one.

But seriously: red cape, blue suit, yellow belt, strength, flight....

primary colors were used alot in the old days for printing reasons more than anything. thor's blue is also much darker.

It's almost easier to list the (mostly cosmetic) differences:

you say that as if there's less differences than similarities, yet you list so many more.

weather powers instead of Superman's vision powers

or, one could say weather powers instead of vision, breath, hearing and speed powers. can also be refered as completely different powers.

hammer instead of Red "S"

here's the biggest case of apples and oranges. how is a weapon and a chest insignia comparable?

doctor alter ego instead of reporter....

all alter egos have jobs.

The most substantive difference is that the alter-ego is actually wimpy, instead of just pretending to be, and he changes from one to the other in a flash of lightning.

ummm.... exactly. you know, as i read this, i can no longer tell if you're saying thor is or isn't a rip-off. i mean, i don't know if you were trying, but you pretty much proved he isn't.

i'm confused now

[The Canadian Content]

operationretard said:

you know, as i read this, i can no longer tell if you're saying thor is or isn't a rip-off. i mean, i don't know if you were trying, but you pretty much proved he isn't.

Victory is mine!

[Batman]

Optard, are you serious? I'm not. It was a joke. Shazam was the punchline. Anyway, the banner you made for this looks awesome. Kudos.

I'm really looking forward to this "showdown" thing. Mainly, I think there might be some great posts shilling for people's faves. I know that I have a few words to say about Batman.

[salmonjunkie]

Is this going to be "who would win in a fight" or "who do you prefer"?

[The Canadian Content]

I'd like to see it stick to "reality". There's no way Cap beats Supes or Bats beats Thor. It just wouldn't happen. Now Cap vs. Bats would be a hell of a fight. And clearly it's already been decided that Thor would whup Supes, so there's really no point in going there.

[Loki]

psychofish said:

And clearly it's already been decided that Thor would whup Supes, so there's really no point in going there.

Really? Who decided that? We know you've got a raging hard on for White Europeans with long flowing golden locks, but your declaration is a bit premature, don't you think? ;D

[Batman]

I was under the impression we were just talking about voting based on preference or "most awesomeness." Like a popularity contest, except as a tournament. Personally I think Batman will take it easily, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he was upset by Spiderman or Wolverine.

[williamssl]

We're going to try to make this friendly for people who may know only "the usual suspects". In other words, not gonna turn this into something where you need to know every attribute about X in order to want to play. The mix of people who ultimately play will obviously determine how the results pan out - if it is "purists" then how psycho described it will more often than not be the end result. If the mix is heavier "casual" folks who know a handful, then how sergei described it will likely play out. Either way is not gonna make everyone happy but hey, free dummy. And regardless I think this will be fun and drive a lot of interesting banter which will far exceed whatever the results are. Shit, I haven't read a comic book in over ten years and I'm looking forward to this.

Rules will post this weekend in the stupid house.

And something to think about for those who have already submitted things....who said it had to be all super heroes nominated? Re-submittals accepted through the deadline that will be referenced in the rules.

[Batman]

I don't know man. I love me a good villain, but maybe they should have their own showdown?

Another thing worth clarifying: If a superhero has been embodied by more than one character over time, are we only nominating one character, or the whole shebang? ie Does the Flash mean Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, and Bart Allen? Or would we need to nominate them seperately?

[salmonjunkie]

Let's keep this at Superheroes. Supervillains deserve their own tourney.

I mean, 8 villains is easy:

Marvel:
Magneto, Galactus, Mephisto, Green Goblin, Sabretooth, Thanos, Doctor Doom, The Kingpin... And we could keep going with Bullseye, Venom, Kang The Conquerer, Dark Phoenix, Loki, etc...

Who would win in a fight between Magneto, Galactus, and Dark Phoenix. Perhaps that's a question for Loki!