[Attitude Adjuster]

Apr 7, 2008 9:42:18 GMT -5 wld said:

6.) JBL – I’m not even remotely a fan, but he handled the setup to the feud with Orton well (I really liked their silent exchange after Orton’s match.)

I really liked that silent exchanage, too. JBL ended up No. 7 for me.

Apr 7, 2008 9:42:18 GMT -5 bdbdbd said:

I have never in my life been clear as to why the heel time finds it advantageous to do a non-tagged switch when the ref isn't looking.

Because they're heels! There's no other reason needed.

[Mr. Dashbee]

This week has been awesome so far.

• 12 people have voted
  
• 9 different first place votes
  
• 24 wrestlers nominated
  
• Every time I update my sheet, the whole order changes
  
• Most major champs are on the outside looking in
  

Great job everyone. Let's play "Pimp My 12 Pack" and get more people voting! Not sure if I'll be in chat tonight, can we push it in there, too?

[Deadly]

Awesome, G-B.

In an effort to help pimp the 12-Pack, I stole bd's sig idea.

[jetskid48]

Apr 7, 2008 11:16:16 GMT -5 snelson66 said:

I read SKid's recap (where he lovingly glows about every segment) and still didn't mind missing the whole thing.

I don't care if you don't like the way I do my recap, or want to criticize, but don't take little stupid potshots at me. I recapped two shows people really enjoyed these past two weeks, which had nothing to do with personal views of WWE and TNA and any other company. If you don't like my work, there's 300 other Smackdown recaps around the net, I'm sure other people would love your traffic.


Anyway, on a better note, here's my top 6 (Btw, missed TNA by accident this week, but I'm gonna try to make sure I catch it this week so I can put them into my top 6's next week).

1st Place. Batista - Unquestionably, he has had little to no direction over the past few months. Yes, he had title shots and matches at the pay-per-views, but none of it had any effect on his character, career, or on the shape of the show he is on. Finally, he is now involved with someone who can help elevate his work to the level that Booker, HHH, and the Undertaker (at first) have done in the past. Now, he is finally showing the first step towards a very interesting program - and possible heel turn - after an extremely good and emotional promo he cut with HBK. And of course, if you can make Lucky look forward to something WWE-wise and Batista-wise with even 1% of optimism, your a winner in my book - at least for this week.

2nd Place. Matt Hardy - Made a surprise appearance on a Raw that seemed to have many surprises on it. Had a relatively good match with Orton, where he was booked pretty strong; even getting to hit the Twist of Fate and make it seem like Orton was done on the floor. Followed this up with one of my favorite worked matches of the year so far with MVP. He has always been the more consistant Hardy, and maybe the WWE has learned that he can handle a push up the card.

3rd Place. Shawn Michaels - Why is he only 4? On Raw, he was the topping on the cake for the Ric Flair celebration and on Smackdown he was the reciever to the more important Batista-side to the promo. This isn't downing his work, but rather an acknowledgement of his excellent work even when he is not the focal point of his segments.

4th Place. Big Show - Becoming something like a cult hit. Is it possible that he's more popular than ever? Stuck in a bad feud with Khali, but is it wrong to think that maybe Show can make something of it?

5th Place. Randy Orton - Becoming the perfect throwback to the real heel character; someone with no redeeming value for people to like, and can draw total hate from everyone. In a world where everyone wants to be the cool heel to sell t-shirts and get mixed crowds, Orton only cares about making people hate him...and damn, he does a good job of being, and strengthening his douchbag image.

6th Place (tie). Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan -
Ric Flair, because its his last week that as a performer, we could praise him, but he only gets a half of point at most because while it was a great moment, it wasn't something he created this week. Over an entire career though, unquestioned in how much he deserved that night. Everything that has needed to be said about him has already been said. We'll miss him.
On the same note, though, its amazing how people need to put one person's career down to raise up another when they don't have to. Since he's had shots taken at him for whatever ever reason this week, I might as well say something good about him. I don't care if this 1/2 point gets negated due to inactivity (although I'm sure I can find a clip of him somewhere speaking...) For what Flair did to raise the profile of the athletic and classiness of the wrestling industry, Hulk Hogan did for the entertainment crossover aspect of wrestling that helped make it grow from territorial wrestling to a national product. A moment like Flair's retirement and celebration shouldn't just be about putting a man like Flair on a pedestal above everyone else, but a celebration of all of the people that helped put wrestling on the map, in whatever way they did it, and show there's not just cynicism in werstling, but good that comes from it as well.


(Jeez, I've now defended Hulk Hogan and Vince McMahon in two consecutive weeks. That can't be good.)


Edited to fix rankings.

[Lucky]

I think you did that wrong. If Flair and Hogan are tied at "#1" that means Orton is 3 and Batista is off the list. But I suspect that you just reversed your numbers and Flair and Hogan are tied for 6 and Batista is your #1. Especially since you said Flair only deserved half a point and that's what he'd get tied for 6th.

And I think Big Show has our favor at the moment. He looks good, he looks motivated and in the best shape of his life. We heard Flair call him the best big man in wrestling history and we saw him sobbing and be the only man from the roster to be given the honor of stepping up to hug Flair. And the guy's character is basically be forced to shine as he's put in segments with largely useless performers like Mayweather, Khali, and Colin. Which also makes us sort of appreciate that he's getting the short end of the stick but making the best of it.

He hasn't been on my ballot because being in shitty stories with bad performers doesn't entertain me. But there's no doubt that the guy has made bad ideas much more bearable than they should have been and gave me the first Colin segment perhaps ever that I kinda enjoyed.

[jetskid48]

Oh, sorry, I thought I did it by points last week and just threw guys into the point slots after that. Is the standard 1,2,3...etc or 6...5...4...etc? I guess if I just did it how were supposed to it would be easier on g-b

[Lucky]

You number your #1 guy as #1. Top guy of the week. The points are our problem but you're just listing ranking. I like to "count down" to #1 but others go the route of listing #1 first. I don't know if G-B has a preference but its not a big deal to me as long as you number them right. But once people start listing then as pt totals instead of rankings? Then it gets all screwed up.

If you hadn't had a tie at "1" I wouldn't have even recognized that problem. I would have just presumed Flair was your #1 and Batista your #6. And if it wasn't for you actually saying Flair only deserves half a point I would have just presumed you confused the tie and that it was Hogan and Flair at #1 with Hardy 6 and Batista out.

[jetskid48]

Ok, i'll fix it for when i do it next week.



Like some others, I also thought that JBL was solid this week, although it probably had to do with the fact that he's always good with the mic, and gets negative points when he wrestles. I just didn't put him in because there's a law that I may not have both Orton and JBL in my top 6 ever.

[Demko]

Did I miss something? Is there something keeping you from editing the numbers, to make it easier for G-B to sort this all out?

[jetskid48]

Apr 7, 2008 15:59:13 GMT -5 Demko said:

Did I miss something? Is there something keeping you from editing the numbers, to make it easier for G-B to sort this all out?

Yeah, there is something stopping me...its...FUCK YOU!


jk, i was lazy...ill do it now.

[Mr. Dashbee]

Apr 7, 2008 14:16:09 GMT -5 jetskid48 said:

Oh, sorry, I thought I did it by points last week and just threw guys into the point slots after that. Is the standard 1,2,3...etc or 6...5...4...etc? I guess if I just did it how were supposed to it would be easier on g-b

Whoever you rank #1 gets 6 pts, #2 gets 5 pts, and so on...

I'll consider yours backwards for this week, and make Batista 1, 6 pts.

[Ultimatejobber]

1 TIE. Shawn Michaels and Batista: Their exchange on Firday was great and is the beginning of what should be an amazing program this summer.

3. Matt Hardy: OH YEAH!!! This is the second hot return for Matt and this is already miles more exciting than when he was buried coming back against Edge. He put a good showing against Orton and then got a big clean win on Smackdown. Vince, keep him off the mic and I see big things for Matt.

4. Matt Morgan: The man completed a 2-month storyline in 2 hours culminating with a face turn to end the show on a positive note for team Cage.

5. Sting: In another "good guys tiumph moment" from Impact, Sting gets revenge for the beer bottle incident from the previous week.

6. The Rock 'n Rave Infection: I really hope this tag team gets pushed because they crack me up. Jimmy Rave: "Thank You Transylvania, We Love You!!!" I want them to be the first challengers to LAX after they get the titles back.

Honorable Mention:

CM Punk: I would have put him on the list if he had gotten the win over Jericho on RAW, but I feel like losing the day after MitB was not good for his momentum.

The Midnight Rockers: This young tag team is tearing it up in the AWA on ESPN Classic. I see big things for this team, especially that Marty Janetty. He's a future world champ for sure!

[Demko]

Apr 7, 2008 17:59:05 GMT -5 Ultimatejobber said:

The Midnight Rockers: This young tag team is tearing it up in the AWA on ESPN Classic. I see big things for this team, especially that Marty Janetty. He's a future world champ for sure!

LOL, I've been thinking that EXACT same thing all week! I was like 'I should totally vote for the Midnight Rockers in the 12-pack this week!'

[Mr. Dashbee]

Apr 7, 2008 19:58:24 GMT -5 Demko said:

Apr 7, 2008 17:59:05 GMT -5 Ultimatejobber said:

The Midnight Rockers: This young tag team is tearing it up in the AWA on ESPN Classic. I see big things for this team, especially that Marty Janetty. He's a future world champ for sure!

LOL, I've been thinking that EXACT same thing all week! I was like 'I should totally vote for the Midnight Rockers in the 12-pack this week!'

Knew that was coming......first run wrestling only...although I can't help but agree about that Jannetty kid.

[Ultimatejobber]

Which is why they're honorable mention.

[psmitty]

Wow. As the man who cast the controversial Vince vote last week I was somewhat surprised that there wasn't more of a backlash at the time, but I chalked it up to being ignored rather than being handled with Kid gloves. anywho here are my votes this week - again, I don't get spike so I can't watch impact so my votes are gonna be WWE heavy.

1t. Shawn Michaels and Batista
I actually rather dislike both of these men, but I can't deny that even without lacing up the boots this week they are entering into what has the potential to be a very interesting feud in the near future. I just hope it goes longer than Backlash. Bonus points to Dave for ~OMG continuity! Not only was there foreshadowing in unspoken body language on Raw, but he harkened back to HBK's old yeller promo, took the jab that Shawn does jobs for noone (zing!) And started to call out the old Shawn Michaels the egomaniac.

3. Matt Hardy
After suffering seemingly innumerable bouts of plain bad luck in getting his revenge on MVP and getting that US Title, Matt comes back this week and is used very well on Raw in another lapse in writing where someone actually paid attention to continuity and had Matt try his darndest to make Orton pay, and then he has what is probably the best (or second best) match of the week in WWE-land with MVP to rekindle the flames of that fued.

4. CM Punk
I still find this guy kinda vanilla on the personality scale but there is no denying he can bring it in the ring, and this past week bring it he did! Even in the loss to Jericho on Raw he was looking strong.

5. Chris Jericho
I thought as soon as JBL ruined his WWE Title shot last fall that Jericho was destined to wallow in mid-card mediocrity for the duration of his return, and while there is no denying that he's not anywhere near the main event it really feels like he's sitting a little above the general mid-card, or at least at t he top of the heap. He's having good matches, holding the IC title and winning cleanly. As already stated his macth with Punk on raw was up there as one of the best of the week and was only rivaled by Hardy/MVP.

6. Nattie Neidhart
For finally making it to the big time (or at least Smackdown)

[Lucky]

I just didn't want to offend you and scare you or others away. Plus Skids had already made him an honorable mention and I had given some minor shit over it in chat. So I had it out of my system.

[DevSop]

1) Christian Cage - Joe should be champion by this time next week, but this man is the MVP of the company. He's not the gullible face like Sting and he always seems to be a step ahead of everyone. Setting up Team Tomko to trust Morgan was brilliant work on his part. And he's just absolute gold on the mic. I dare say he may have truly surpassed Edge as the guy I most look forward to every week. And I kinda hope he's not one of the first lambs fed to Joe. That should be built long-term and I'd be okay with a decent run of Cage/Rhino in the tag ranks.

2) HBK - I grow tired at times, but he's selling the payoff to the Flair match amazing and while Batista is purely a waste of human flesh to me; HBK has at least made him somewhat interesting. And it was a really slow week.

3) Matt Hardy - HE WILL NOT DIE...watchable match with Orton. Average match with MVP...but he just brings something to his matches. He's never been great in the ring, and his brother has always had more charisma, but Matt is still always one of the brightest spots of his shows.

4) Raisha Saeed - SILENCE!!! Anything you want.

5) Age of the Fall - Truly my favorite stable in wrestling at the moment and even though I'm ranking them twice in two weeks for the exact same thing...I don't really care. Jacobs is great, Lacey is hot, Black is a future star, Butcher is a bully...and IF they got Aries in anyway, they can own ROH in a short time.

6T) LAX & Monsters of Rock - I hate that I'm leaving the Guns off, but until they actually are involved in the finish of winning their match, they won't get ranked. Besides, they're most likely going to be #1 in a few weeks if they can get at least one win in ROH. But for this week, I don't think Rock'n'Rave or the Monsters are great, but they're perfect tag team filler and R'n'R are just pure fun. And LAX is amazing. I'm trying to figure out who will kill Rave first; Homicide with the Killer or Hernandez with the Toss...all I know is I can't wait to see it.


HM: Nattie Neidhart, TNA Knockout division, James Storm, AJ, Cornette, Punk.

[Batman]

firewoman
needsmorecowbell
paddler
dxb
blackdragon

What do these people have in common?

They are quitters

Dropouts.

And they have (about) 24 hours to prove me wrong.

[Mr. Dashbee]

16 voters and the list just keeps on changing. The range in votes is just amazing (the current #1 wasn't even on 5 ballots and only has 1 first place vote, while #2 has 4 first place votes, but didn't make it onto 7 ballots).

Just an amazing work. If you're lurking, or unsure if you want to vote, LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD (READ?).

[creepy]

I guess I'll vote for something or other......


1. HBK - For doing his job and trying to make me care about something Bautista is in.
2. LAX - For being awesome
3. A.J. - Also for being awesome.
4. Jimmy Rave - I dig the way he gets destroyed.
5. Mizzorison - Morrison makes me like the Mizz? Satan called. He's expecting 3 inches come morn'.
6. Christian Cage - Because when no one else matters, Cage will always step up.

HM: Storm - For not annoying me and doing something cool and exciting for a change.

[Byrntrigan]

Apr 8, 2008 20:47:53 GMT -5 Batman said:

firewoman
needsmorecowbell
paddler
dxb
blackdragon

What do these people have in common?

They are quitters

Dropouts.

And they have (about) 24 hours to prove me wrong.

Fixed for ya

Man Serg-

you're harsh

Here's my 6-Pac for the week:

6. Sting: What can I say? Sting brought the heat this week with solid promo (if not a standard one) and a descent match that told the story of Storm's accession up the card.

5. Curry Man: ICHIBAN! Please do MORE promos with Curry. PLEASE!

4. CM Punk: He needs just two words to complete his rise and show everyone why he deserves this push: Turn Heel!

3. LAX: Another solid showing by LAX this week with a great match. Hernandez = Pesos!

2. Matt Morgan: A story that not only is complete, makes sense and didn't get dragged out for 4 months? TNA FTW!

1. Cowboy James Storm: Welcome to the Big Time Cowboy! Don't fuck it up like that Harris dick did. This is turining into a annual TNA tradition around this time, take toiling away midcarder and give shot into Main Event. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

Storm and LAX are what's right in TNA right now. HM's to Angle and Joe. Great intensisty but I can't rank them in good concience for promos. Except that Curry Man guy, I still need to find some one who speaks Japanese to translate his promo.

[Lucky]

Seriously. "Cho no masahiro, shinsake jin sei."

[Batman]

Perhaps he was being facetious. That's how I took it.



FYI, my internet got turned off. I'm typing from an internet cafe (surrounded by shouting Somalians) down the street from me--so my access will be limited and occasional.

But I will try to get tables like last week (but with cumulative results too this time!) posted in the results thread sometime tomorrow.

[Byrntrigan]

How can you not like Curry Man? He even referenced Mega Man in his promo (rockman)!

;D I'm enrolling right now in a comunity college online extended late night community class in Japanese.


Can't be that hard to learn to speak and write.