[Mr. Dashbee]

Week 2. 21 Voters. New Record. Joe Kills Everyone. Let's do this!

Pun's House 12 Pack - Week 2 Results
1. Samoa Joe (124 points, 19 first place votes, all 21 votes)
"Thankfully, no one played a part in Joe's win except the most important person, Joe." ~dxb
"He did what he always does, and that's kicking ass." ~TheDemko
"Finally wins the TNA world title after what most feel was too long of a wait. I am looking forward to a period of dominance." ~ultimatejobber

2. Kurt Angle (93 pts, 2 fpv, 20 votes)
"The match...was something that really only he could pull off, and that speaks not only to his originality, but to his greatness." ~jetskid48
"The man is good, damn good." ~iamdoug

3. Raisha Saeed (45 pts, 13 votes)
:...her work in the ring made freakin' Awesome Kong an afterthought..." ~snelson66
"The TNA Women’s division is fantastic, and she earned a place at the top of it in one match." ~wld

4. Christian Cage (29 pts, 12 votes)
"...really liked his promo on Impact and he was the MVP of the Lethal Lockdown match." ~producenahater
"...that plancha off the cage was a thing of beauty and he and AJ made me scared on the top of the cage." ~Lucky

5. A.J. Styles (27.5 pts, 11 votes)
"Christ, have you ever seen someone climb a cage that fast? A.J. is]/i] phenomenal." ~TheDead
"Thank you for not dying.: ~Diamond Dallas Tommy

6. Shawn Michaels (23.5 pts, 7 votes)
"Because if you give him 2 seconds, 2 minutes, or 2 hours in front of a crowd, no matter what he does, it almost always winds up being awesome." ~jetskid48

7. Super Eric & Kaz (16 pts, 7 votes)
"He's been "the future" so long it's nearly become his gimmick. It's time to do something with him, TNA." ~Diamond Dallas Tommy on Kaz
"The look on Black Reign's face when he broke the handcuffs on Impact, the superheroic leap from the top of the cage, the way he tricked Rellik into handcuffing himself.... A good week for a fun character." ~Sergei on Super Eric

8. Batista (11.5 pts, 4 votes)
"His answer to HBK's statement of "do something about it..." was classic. "I already have."" ~G-B

9. Roxxi Laveaux (10 pts, 4 votes)
"Keeps stealing my clothes." ~firewoman
"Roxxi is easily just as pretty and more talented than 80% of the 'Diva' roster." ~The Demko

10. "Black Machismo" Jay Lethal (8 pts, 3 votes)
"Give the man his due. Did anyone think he’d walk out of Lockdown with the X Division belt? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?" ~AttitudeAdjuster

11. The Miz & John Morrison (7.5 pts, 4 votes)
"If only the WWE had a legit tag team scene." ~bd

12 (TIE) Matt Morgan (6 pts, 4 voters) AND Curry Man (6 pts, 3 voters)
"...ripped through people like a damn buzzsaw..." ~dxb on Matt Morgan
"...you should have won the X-Title. You are the most over Japanese dude since Ichiro." ~snelson66 on Curry Man

There you have it. Thanks to everyone for getting us 21 votes. Let's keep that up. Now, on to next week...

[Batman]

So. Who wants tables?

[creepy]

I thought you were cheap and cancelled your internet.

[bdbdbd]

Apr 17, 2008 2:27:24 GMT -5 Batman said:

So. Who wants tables?

We want tables?

[Batman]

Hell, no, I didn't cancel it. I was behind on paying them and they turned us off. We were able to get them caught up and turned back on quicker than I thought.

I take it back, I don't have the patience to get a "We want tables" chant going. I'm too impatient and want to share what I've got.

But let me know if the information is of interest, all.

mta: Hey, I got one after all, while I was typing. Thanks BD!

Here's the 12-Pack for Week 2 broken down by voter:

Rank	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	12
Week2 12-Pack	Samoa Joe	Kurt Angle	Raisha Saeed	Christian Cage	A. J. Styles	Shawn Michaels	Eric / Kaz	Batista	Roxxi LaVeaux	Jay Lethal	Miz / Morrison	Matt Morgan	Curry Man
Brand	TNA	TNA	TNA	TNA	TNA	Raw	TNA	SD!	TNA	TNA	ECW	TNA	TNA
Points	124	93	45	29	27.5	23.5	16	11.5	10	8	7.5	6	6
Votes	21	20	13	12	11	7	7	4	4	3	4	4	3
FPVs	19	2
G-B	6	5	2				3	4			0.5
Lucky	6	5	4	3		2			1
bd	6	5			3.5						1	2
firewoman	5	6	4	0.5	0.5	3			2
TheDead	6	5	4	2	3		1
snelson66	6	2	5	3.5	3.5								1
metallikid	6	5				3		4
ultimatejobber	6	5	1							2
Attitude Adjuster	6	4				1.5		1.5		5
Tommy D420	6	5	4	2.5	2.5		1
needsmorecowbell	6	5	2	3	4					1
jetskid48	6	4		0.5	0.5	5					3
paddler
Sergei	6	5				4	3	2
wld	6	5	3	2					4			1
psmitty	6	4	3				5
dxb	6	5	4				2					1	3
iamdoug	6	5		4	3		1
DevilSoprano	6	4	5	2.5	2.5
blackdragon
TheDemko	5	6	4	0.5	0.5				3			2
Creepy	6					5					3		2
Produce	6	3		5	4

[/tr][/table]

You don't need a voter breakdown to see the biggest story this week. Joe dominated. Not only was there not a single dissenting voter who didn't rank him, not a single voter ranked him lower then 2nd, and only two voters ranked him that low, and even those two gave the first place rank to his opponent Angle, nobody gave the first-place rank to something unrelated.

Angle and Saeed were almost as dominant at their respective Silver and Bronze levels. Angle was only left off of one ballot (possibly while drunk) and was ranked lower than second place on only 6 of the 20 ballots he was on. Where Saeed was included on 13 of the 21 ballots and was ranked 3rd or higher by an impressive 8 voters. As Lucky pointed out, the only time a female wrestler did anywhere near as well the first time we did the 12-Pack was the week that Trish retired.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

I might need to find video of Saeed's match then.

[bdbdbd]

like so?

[Batman]

Now here's where it starts to get interesting....

Rank	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12
Change	-	-	*	29	-1	2	2	-2	-5	15	-6	-5
Week2 12-Pack Cumulative	Shawn Michaels	Ric Flair	Samoa Joe	Kurt Angle	James Storm	Christian Cage	Styles / Tomko	Batista	C. M. Punk	Kong / Saeed	Matt Hardy	LAX (Homicide / Hernandez / Salinas)
Brand	Raw		TNA	TNA	TNA	TNA	TNA	SD!	ECW	TNA	SD!	TNA / JAPW
Points	159	126.5	124	95	76.5	59	57	55	54.5	50	45	40
Votes	37	25	21	21	18	19	22	13	19	15	12	15
FPVs	8	17	19	2	5	2		4	1		1
G-B	7.5	6	6	5	5			6.5	1	2	6	0.5
Lucky	8.5	6	6	5	11	3		4.5	2	4		6
bd	1	7	6	5	5.5		8		10.5		4	3
firewoman	9	5	5	6		0.5	0.5		3	4
TheDead	2	6	6	5		7	10		7	4		2
snelson66	5	6	6	2	6	10.5	5.5			5		2
metallikid	13	6	6	5				10	4		3
ultimatejobber	10.5	6	6	5	2			5.5	3	1	4
Attitude Adjuster	5.5	12	6	4	5		2	6.5	3			2
Tommy D420	5.5	5.5	6	5		8.5	3.5			4	5	6
needsmorecowbell	5	6	6	5		3	4		3	2
jetskid48	14	6.5	6	4	2	0.5	0.5	6			5
paddler	5	6							3
Sergei	15	10	6	7				7			3
wld	8.5	6	6	5	8	2	3	3.5		3	5
psmitty	5.5	5	6	4				5.5	3	3	4
dxb	5	6	6	5	8				7	4		7
iamdoug	6	4	6	5	11	9	5				1	6
DevilSoprano	11	5	6	4	4	8.5	3.5		3	8	4	0.5
blackdragon	5	6			4		3			2
TheDemko	0.5	0.5	5	6	5	0.5	0.5		2	4
Creepy	11		6			1	4					5
Produce			6	3		5	4				1

[/tr][/table]

Samoa Joe joined the cumulative listing at #3 in just the first week he received votes. Just one more ballot and he would have topped Flair and ranked #2. Next week? We'll see.

Kurt Angle and the team of Raesha Saeed and/or Awesome Kong joined the ranks with big gains. As time goes along, the cumulative rankings will become much more stable, and change will become very incremental.

The bottom three from last week (Undertaker, Sting, and Matt Morgan) dropped off this ranking this week.

[Batman]

Haha.

Brand Rankings for Week 2:

Rank	1	2	3	4	5
Week2 Brand	TNA	Raw	SD!	ECW	ROH
Points	374	38.5	14.5	8	4
Votes	103	13	6	5	2
FPVs	21
G-B	16		4	1
Lucky	19	2
bd	20			1
firewoman	18	3
TheDead	21
snelson66	21
metallikid	11	6	4
ultimatejobber	14	7
Attitude Adjuster	15	1.5	1.5		3
Tommy D420	21
needsmorecowbell	21
jetskid48	11	5	2	3
paddler
Sergei	15	4	2
wld	21
psmitty	19
dxb	21
iamdoug	21
DevilSoprano	20				1
blackdragon
TheDemko	21
Creepy	8	10		3
Produce	20		1

[/tr][/table]

A little lop-sided this week?

Cumulative Brand Rankings for Week 2:

Rank	1	2	3	4	5	6	7
Week2 Brand Ranks Cumulative	TNA	SD!	Raw	ECW	WWE	ROH	JAPW
Points	623	275	196.5	91	38	11.5	1.5
Votes	183	64	54	37	17	10	1
FPVs	29	22	8	1	2
G-B	27.5	21.5	11.5	1.5	0.5	0.5
Lucky	34.5	10.5	8.5	6.5	1	0.5	1.5
bd	37.5	12	1	11.5	1
firewoman	18	7	10	7
TheDead	48	6	2	7
snelson66	51	6	5		1
metallikid	11	24	24	4
ultimatejobber	22	19.5	17.5	3	1
Attitude Adjuster	31	12.5	5.5	3	6	5
TommyD420	35	17	5.5	5.5
needsmorecowbell	21	12	5	4
jetskid48	13	23	19	3	4.5
paddler		10	6	3	2
Sergei	20.5	20	15		7	0.5
wld	34	18.5	9	1	0.5
psmitty	19	19.5	8.5	5	9
dxb	44	6	5	8
iamdoug	45	5	6	3	4
DevilSoprano	35	9	11	3		5
blackdragon	9	6	5	1
TheDemko	26	9	0.5	6	0.5
Creepy	21		16	5
Produce	20	1

[/tr][/table]

Look at that, "kids" like the WWE....

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Look at that, "kids" like the WWE....

That is actually fairly clever. I like that.

[Byrntrigan]

Damn! Sure looks like TNA finally got it's due here. The real test will see how their stay in the 12 pack.

I mean, shit, 10 ranks to TNA this week, and 7 historically?

We may have alot of TNA wankers here, but I allways got the feeling we're allways outnumbered by the WWE peeps. Maybe not anymore, or they're just realizing what we saw 4 years ago or so

oh, and [glow=yellow,2,300]EXALT'[/glow]s to Serg & G-B for 12 pack!

[bdbdbd]

If SmackDown, Raw, and ECW are all separate in the cumulative table, what counts as WWE?

[Batman]

dxb:

It's just a matter of the breakdown of who's chosen to participate. Look at the cumulative brand breakdowns for each voter. There are two consistent voters who are clearly more fans of WWE (jetskid and metallikid,) two whose votes show that they like the three major brands (TNA, Raw, and SD!) pretty close to equally (me and G-B) and the rest of the balloters are pretty much different levels of TNA wank. Ranging from Lucky and Dev with TNA in the 30s and the WWE brands in the teens, to you and doug with TNA in the 40s and the WWE brands not yet breaking 10 points after 3 weeks. Including WM week!

Re: 7 TNA talents in the cumulative 12-pack, keep in mind that its early enough on that a strong week like TNA had can still completely change the complexion of the cumulative rankings. Samoa Joe, Angle, and Saeed/Kong charged on forcing out 3 WWE talents. In a few weeks, when guys' cumulative points are in the thousands instead of the hundreds, one good week isn't going to rearrange things so abruptly.

[Batman]

Apr 17, 2008 12:49:38 GMT -5 bdbdbd said:

If SmackDown, Raw, and ECW are all separate in the cumulative table, what counts as WWE?

Non-specified WWE, like Rock and Mae Young.

The only reason it shows up in cumulative but not current week is that nobody voted for anyone like that this week.

[Byrntrigan]

Apr 17, 2008 13:01:59 GMT -5 Batman said:

dxb:

It's just a matter of the breakdown of who's chosen to participate. Look at the cumulative brand breakdowns for each voter. There are two consistent voters who are clearly more fans of WWE (jetskid and metallikid,) two whose votes show that they like the three major brands (TNA, Raw, and SD!) pretty close to equally (me and G-B) and the rest of the balloters are pretty much different levels of TNA wank. Ranging from Lucky and Dev with TNA in the 30s and the WWE brands in the teens, to you and doug with TNA in the 40s and the WWE brands not yet breaking 10 points after 3 weeks. Including WM week!

Re: 7 TNA talents in the cumulative 12-pack, keep in mind that its early enough on that a strong week like TNA had can still completely change the complexion of the cumulative rankings. Samoa Joe, Angle, and Saeed/Kong charged on forcing out 3 WWE talents. In a few weeks, when guys' cumulative points are in the thousands instead of the hundreds, one good week isn't going to rearrange things so abruptly.

Understood, but to be fair, at WM only the Flair / HBK match and $$$ in the Bank were special, everything else was meh to watchable.

Lockdown, only 1 match was meh, and everything else was better then 2 SuperBowls combined. Not trying to oversell it, just saying...

and as for the historical, I realize that in week 3 to say, week 10, things will shift wildly in rapid succession. Should be interesting to see rankings after a while.

[Lucky]

Yeah, that's my thing. I'm a TNA wank but I do watch all 3 WWE shows and enjoy enough. But all 3 weeks of this have been in the buildup to Lockdown which I was REALLY hyped for and which delivered at least half a really interesting card (IMO). For WWE it was WM and the post WM stuff. We all agree that the post WM to Backlash stuff seems like underwhelming and uncompelling rematches (Batista/HBK aside) and I really wasn't that high for WM (as others didn't seem to be). And yeah, only 2 WM matches were memorable to my eyes to at least 3 memorable ones for Lockdown. One of the WM/Lockdown matches each were no-brainers that got on every ballot. The other WWE was a 7 man match, the other TNA matches had a total of 14 participants. So TNA basically outnumbered WWE.

But this won't be the case most of the time. I go into plenty of TNA PPVs underwhelmed and plenty of WWE PPVs really intrigued. This was just a good combination for TNA. Its also rare that we get two straight PPVs in 3 weeks with such CLEAR "Match of the Week"s that they'll just dominate the rankings. But sooner or later WWE will do something that excites me while TNA is coasting and you'll see a ballot with 5 WWE and 1 TNA. Or 6/0. Hell, King of the Ring is a hell of an opportunity for that next week if WWE does right by it.

Its just a young ranking that has been timed so that its gotten the 2 biggest events in TNA and WWE and basically the 2 biggest matches we've seen in a long time.

[Demko]

OK, here's my 2 cents... I have been getting copies of the 12-pack spreadsheet, and since I'm bored at work, I put together a few charts illuminating a few things with regards to brand rankings.

First off, a pie chart showing all brand rankings for this week:


Secondly, a few bar charts showing user's votes for each brand -

EDIT: Deleted those charts because they were confusing and ugly... will replace with much better (and easier to read) versions.

Hopefully this is informational to SOMEONE. If anyone would like to see anything else charted on a weekly basis, let me know, and I'll do what I can to put it together. :-)

[Demko]

Week-2, Brand votes, by user:

TNA:


SD!:


RAW:


ECW:


ROH:


There were no WWE-generic or JAPW votes this week.

[Demko]

Cumulative Brand votes, by user:

TNA:


SD!:


RAW:


ECW:


WWE:


ROH:


JAPW:

[Batman]

I have a suggestion. Try a "stacked column" chart.

That way you would be able to fit all of the same data into one chart for current week and one for cumulative, instead of one for each brand

[jetskid48]

Why do I have a feeling the TNA wanks won't be making a trillion bar graphs for the weeks WWE wins?



Is this gonna stay on PH, or are you moving it to OO? I figure if you leave it here, it'll give me a (really big) extra reason to make sure to come back to PH often.

[Batman]

So far, I think it's been much more successful here than it was there.

And it's not because of being a TNA wank, it's because of being a stat and Excel wank. Believe me, analysis and charts and tables will happen no matter who has a strong week.


If anyone besides G-B and Lucky and Demko also wants a copy of my spreadsheet each week, just let me know and I'll cc you.

[jetskid48]

ha, i was joking, i enjoy looking at this stuff.


and i vote for it to stay here, especially since i have no idea if tables work on OO.

[Mr. Dashbee]

Apr 17, 2008 17:11:59 GMT -5 Batman said:

I have a suggestion. Try a "stacked column" chart.

That way you would be able to fit all of the same data into one chart for current week and one for cumulative, instead of one for each brand

EXALT this suggestion. Ditto for me. I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw all of the bar graphs. Stack the columns, and I will love the fact that you do those graphs.

Re: 12 Pack home. I vote for here as well. It got lost at OO, and the wrestling participation seems much more stable here. We might want to open it up to a vote, I'll think it over.

[Byrntrigan]

I say keep it here.