[DevSop]

1-Jimmy Jacobs: Screw you Lucky, he's fucking gold right now and leading the way for the best current story in wrestling
2-CM Punk: 4 really good matches and the continuous tease of MitB has allowed Punk to show a bit more range in his character and it seems to be gaining momentum. Now he needs a legit feud.
3-Chrisitan & Rhyno: Really good tag match and they def. have a chemistry together. I'd actually prefer them to be aligned together without tagging and then bring in the Guns as their tag team. I just want stables back.
4-Matt Hardy: Two good matches and the new U.S. Champ after a delay in one of the best feuds that the WWE had going. I just hope he finds a way to keep this burst going and gets another good wrestler to feud with.
5-Samoa Joe: Would have preferred a clean win, but he is the TNA champ and he did pin his biggest rival. Lets hope Sacrifice shows Joe to be the dominator he can be.
6-HHH & Regal: I'm assuming the plan is for these two to feud and both could have been higher if they had more than 1 good night. If HHH wasn't invisible on Monday or Regal wasn't invisible Sunday, I'd have gone higher.

HM-Guns, Angle, Cornette, MVP

[Attitude Adjuster]

No one stood out for me this week so just to screw with the standings a bit, I offer a six-way tie:

1T) Edge: Scored the main event pin on RAW, set up a great attack on Kane on ECW (even if Chavo took a freakin’ day and half to do the job), did something cool on Smackdown that now I can’t remember, but then tapped out to Undertaker in the PPV.

1T) Triple H: I’ve never been so underwhelmed about a WWE title change. But it is a world title change, and that deserves something.

1T) Christian & Rhyno: Collected a big win over the Motor City Machine Guns in clearly the best free TV match of the week. But it wasn’t even the main event on their show, and in the end it didn’t mean a whole lot.

1T) Samoa Joe: Gets a tainted victory over Kurt Angle, and we get ready for what should be a great three-way brawl for the title between Joe, Angle and Scott Steiner.

1T) Steven Regal: Wins a one-night King of the Ring, and nails a fun match with CM Punk in the final. But then he doesn’t even have a match in the PPV.

1T) Lacey: Apparently she’s left Jimmy Jacobs and has sided with Austin Aries because he has a larger unit. Oh, and he might be a better wrestler. Whatever. So now we get to cheer Lacey, apparently.

[Mr. Dashbee]

re: 6-way tie...

Can you think of another person who deserves to be included? A 7 way tie leads to 3 pts for each person ranked. A 6 way tie doesn't work with the math. Basically, I'll give each of yours 3 pts, so you can rank one more and they still get points.

[Lucky]

Wouldn't a 6 way tie just be 3.5 pts per guy? We do half points for most other ties so what's the problem? The only real problem it seems to cause is that 6 guys are getting "First Place Votes" from one ballot.

Unless my math just sucks. 6+5+4+3+2+1= 21/6= 3.5?

EDIT: Next bad week we have I'm doing a 21 place tie.

Kidding. There's technically a 7 entry limit, isn't there?

[Batman]

Lucky's right. I already added AA's vote with 3.5 points to each.

I only count it as a 1st place vote if it's worth more than 5 points. i.e. 2-way ties for 1st count since they give both wrestlers more points than someone ranked 2nd without a tie would get. 3-way ties or more don't, so I don't count them. Also because that makes it easier to count them with an Excel formula....

[Byrntrigan]

6: Lacey - (I didn't see her ROH work this week) but she's pretty fucking hot - and she deserves a spot in EVERY 12 Pack.

5: Somoa Joe: Good first title defense. I even allowed myself to buy that TNA would have him loose the title for a couple seconds (the dumdums ), and that's due to the great selling he was doing this week. Plus, that reversal of the Angle Lock into the Kokina Clutch was pretty sweet.

3: (T4) Murder City Machine Guns & Cage / Rhyno This match reminded me of of why I love Tage Team wrestling so much. The whole match was believable in that anyone could win it and move on to Deuces Wild at Sacrifice (Live, on PPV)

2: James E. Cornette - I love how he went from Stooge GM last week to Evil lex Luthor Mastermind this week. Plus we got to see Corny's neck turn red this week. Been a while.

1: CM Punk: Punk made me watch WWE this week. His matches might not have been the best this week, but damnit if they weren't entertaining and sucked me in to his story. Now turn heel Punk!

[Batman]

Are you sure you want to do that?

You're giving 2.5 points each to Shelley, Sabin, Christian & Rhino, which is fine. But for this week, (and in the case of MCMGs, for the foreseeable future) they're being ranked as teams. And when you vote for two different members of a team on one ballot the team gets the higher of the two, not the sum. So MCMG would get 2.5 and the Christian & Rhino team would get 2.5.

I recommend that you tie the two teams for 3 & 4 and think of a different 5 & 6.

[Byrntrigan]

Apr 29, 2008 22:53:17 GMT -5 Batman said:

Are you sure you want to do that?

You're giving 2.5 points each to Shelley, Sabin, Christian & Rhino, which is fine. But for this week, (and in the case of MCMGs, for the foreseeable future) they're being ranked as teams. And when you vote for two different members of a team on one ballot the team gets the higher of the two, not the sum. So MCMG would get 2.5 and the Christian & Rhino team would get 2.5.

I recommend that you tie the two teams for 3 & 4 and think of a different 5 & 6.

Oh. I thought doing it that way would give MCMG's & Cage / Ryno double team points. So, if that's not the case...

Fixed. Thanks for the clarification...

[Attitude Adjuster]

Apr 29, 2008 19:27:30 GMT -5 Lucky said:

Next bad week we have I'm doing a 21 place tie.

Good to see I've started something.

[DevSop]

You started wearing depends too, I'm not sure if anyone is going to jump on that bandwagon with ya?



Well maybe Moose, but he's ALWAYS been a fan.

[Demko]

Apr 30, 2008 9:56:49 GMT -5 DevSop said:

You started wearing depends too, I'm not sure if anyone is going to jump on that bandwagon with ya?



Well maybe Moose, but he's ALWAYS been a fan.

Better than being a fan of those in the OTHER type of diapers, my man. :-)

Not that I've much room to talk.

[Mr. Dashbee]

Apr 29, 2008 19:27:30 GMT -5 Lucky said:

Wouldn't a 6 way tie just be 3.5 pts per guy? We do half points for most other ties so what's the problem? The only real problem it seems to cause is that 6 guys are getting "First Place Votes" from one ballot.

Unless my math just sucks. 6+5+4+3+2+1= 21/6= 3.5?

EDIT: Next bad week we have I'm doing a 21 place tie.

Kidding. There's technically a 7 entry limit, isn't there?

you're exactly right, i've juse never done the math. 7 way tie was easier to visualize in my head. Thanks for pointing that out. And 7 is indeed the limit. that was in the intro post, not sur eif it's in the current version. If not, I'll add it back for next time.

For the current week, it gets a First Place Vote for each person, but that is simply symbolic in nature, as the points are still 3.5 each. And it's points that matter.

[Demko]

Just as a note, G-B, you still have a link to Week 3's voting in your sig.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Ties are for pussies.

[Demko]

I agree:

[Attitude Adjuster]

Ties are for weeks when wrestling is a pussy.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Pull numbers out of hat, assign ranks in alphabetical order, I don't care. Ties are lazy and my lists have NEVER included them.....and never will.

[Mr. Dashbee]

Apr 30, 2008 12:02:36 GMT -5 Demko said:

Just as a note, G-B, you still have a link to Week 3's voting in your sig.

Thanks man. I meant to change it the day I posted week 4...and forgot.

[Lucky]

I really don't get the problem with ties, MKid. Most of the time when I do a tie its two guys in the same match that impressed me. I thought they were equal parts and I don't want to put one over the other. The other reason I tend to do ties is for 6th place when I just think a 6th and 7th entry really didn't move past each other.

I have no personal mandate against ties. And I refuse to use something as arbitrary and meaningless as who won the match as a tiebreaker. MVP/Hardy and Angle/Joe were 2 of my favorite matches of the week. I think both sides played equal roles, I'll represent them as such. I'm not giving Joe and Hardy the edge because they won pieces of metal because a booker wrote them too.

[Batman]

Apr 30, 2008 17:17:49 GMT -5 Lucky said:

And I refuse to use something as arbitrary and meaningless as who won the match as a tiebreaker.

Not meaningless. Take MCMG as an example. They had a great match, but because they lost they aren't in the Lethal Lottery (or whatever.) So they remain impressive but directionless jobbers. If they had gotten the big win over Christian & Rhino, I definitely would have ranked them.

[Lucky]

But the only meaning it has is that which the booker puts on it. MCMG didn't do anything wrong or fall short in resulting in losing. They were just booked to lose. Notice which of the two teams in that match made my rankings. It was the one that entertained me more and which I put the bulk of my enjoyment of that match on.

I'm mostly over the fact that some of you guys use kayfabe to rank stuff, I just won't. If you want to that's cool. But HHH doesn't make my list because he won the WWE Title. Joe and Hardy don't get over Angle and MVP because they won/retained the TNA and US titles respectively. And MCMG can make my list despite the fact that Christian/Rhino don't and they won the match.

Now if MCMG had won the match might they have climbed higher on my rankings? Sure, maybe. Because I would have seen it as a big move for them and my enjoyment would have increased because I knew they were out of the doghouse and were headed into the tag tournament. For me its all about how I was entertained. Not what some fictional characters accomplished or didn't accomplish.

But I wasn't criticizing other's use of that method. I was just saying that I won't use it because it makes no sense to me. Which is part of the reason ties make sense to me because all things being even it seems silly (to me) to use the booking as a tiebreaker. If others want to, that's cool. But it doesn't make a difference to me, so it would be an inaccurate ranking of my top 6.

Applying standards that don't affect me to determine my Top 6 makes no sense.

[Batman]

Yeah, but I'm not saying that I'm ranking based on kayfabe. Or--you know--I'd give a fuck that HHH is champ.

I'm saying that I don't just rank based on what a wrestler did for the week, but also what the week did for him, you know?

So if there's someone who I'm happy to see moving in a direction where they will have a more prominent place on the show, I'm going to rank that more than someone who is entertaining but seems to be floundering.

it's true that how he's booked isn't in a wrestler's control, but that's true of a million things that effect how much you enjoy a wrestler: quality of opposition, how much time they're given, etc.

[Lucky]

I get that. In part I put Regal up there because he had a big week that suggested bigger and better things. Of course when it came to ranking them I found I couldn't put him over guys who had matches and stuff that really entertained me. So all he got was the half point. In similar way MCMG probably took the other half of the point because their performance was directionless.

I'm really not criticizing the method. I'm just saying, I do ties because they make sense to me in terms of what I enjoyed. 3 weeks ago Joe went over Angle in my rankings because his winning meant a lot to my enjoyment. It was breaking through a ceiling. Last week it was just a successful defense that I expected. So he and Angle split the spot because they both did their equal part.

[Batman]

That makes sense to me. For my part, there's usually one side in a match that I can generally give more of the credit to. Usually the guy that I'm more of a mark for, unfair as that is.

[Mr. Dashbee]

VOTING CLOSED...

Getting to work on the results now.