[National Champion Chris Cole]

www.fannation.com/throwdowns/show/17218

Is it possible that one day Cal's streak can be broken? Of course it is possible. Now go vote.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

www.fannation.com/throwdowns/show/17256

Best HR Hitter: Ruth or Bonds? Why so many people think most HR means best without debate is beyond me.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

What a horrible debate question... I can't believe you're not killing him.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Me too. It looks much better now. I took so long drafting my second argument. He had five votes before I even posted it. I think he only has 2 or 3 more since. The score is much better.

[Lucky]

How can you not know that ground rule doubles didn't exist before 1930? You've never heard that knock on Babe?

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Never. I learned something new yesterday. Thanks for the info.

[Loki]

I can't believe the grammar your competitors use.

I get that it's TEH INTRAWEBS~~!1!!, where spelling and sentence structure are seen as optional, but if you're going to debate someone it helps to present your argument in a way that doesn't make you look like a special ed student.

kthnxbi

[Lucky]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what's going to keep me from really getting into this. Its one of those things that kept me at OO all these years. I can't fucking stand the incompetent internet writing! Every other Throwdown arguement I read has someone who looks like a mindless retard. And the bad thing is half the time he's got the better argument.

[Mikey]

luckylopez said:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what's going to keep me from really getting into this. Its one of those things that kept me at OO all these years. I can't fucking stand the incompetent internet writing! Every other Throwdown arguement I read has someone who looks like a mindless retard. And the bad thing is half the time he's got the better argument.

I completely and totally agree. In the real world, the presentation is half the battle, but when you're dealing with idiots who can't take the time to use proper grammar and whatnot in a structured debate, you never know.

[Lucky]

Me: Dude, take some time to write properly. Makes it easier for us all to read and makes your argument look smarter.

tylerdurden69: HAha !! only nerds car abut that crap! dont take dis two seriosly "dude" its teh inetrnets

Then I turn my computer off.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

When did you debate Dragon, Lucky?

[National Champion Chris Cole]

It makes me really wish there was a such thing as an internet license.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

www.fannation.com/throwdowns/show/25631

Can't believe I'm losing this one. The guy is mocking one of sports biggest deaths.

One more to add
www.fannation.com/throwdowns/show/25634

[Loki]

I actually signed up just to vote for you and to make a comment about this idiotic "debate".

[Lucky]

Out of respect and our friendship I'm just going to not weigh into that. Because I too consider Nascar to be worthless. Wholly and utterly worthless. Its never provided me with 1 thing.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

Even if you consider it worthless, the guy's debating skills were horrible. Even if I felt the same way, I'd still go with Cole... and I'm not a NASCAR fan at all.

[Lucky]

Yeah, but if I voted against people because of bad debating skills I'd just abstain from nearly everything on that site.

Instead I'll abstain. I'll respect Mkid's ability to spell if not his opinion.

[Lucky]

Also, I don't care that Dale Earnhardt is dead. Don't remember his number either.

Besides, Chris screwed up his debating. Irish said the drivers were all rednecks and Chris told a story of his non redneck friend and chastized Irish for stereotyping the fans. tsk tsk tsk.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

What's wrong with that? I'm trying to show not all fans are rednecks.

I'm actually surprised you would throw an entire sport under the umbrella of "worthless". I'm not a fan but I can see its merit. Then again I live in the South so I have to see.

My next argument is going to be about the city of Daytona, Florida. That entire city is built on revenue from Nascar. It is far from worthless to the residents and businesses of Daytona.

Don't forget to check out the throwdown about Noah/Thomas. Don't feel compelled to vote for me on that one. I have a feeling the guy might actually have some decent arguments. If so just vote on which one you like better. It's rare to have a real good debate on both sides.

[Lucky]

Right, but he didn't say the fans were all rednecks. So you scolded him for something he didn't say. He said the drivers were. A stupid debating point, no doubt. But you misread him and attacked him for something he didn't say (although he probably thinks).

I just don't see the inherent worth of Nascar. I've argued it a few times just from a Devil's Advocate point and its been of the most difficult debates I've had to wage. Its popularity doesn't strike me as a measure of worth. Paris Hilton's popular and I believe her to be 100% worthless. Well, except when she got jailed and made me laugh. Nascar isn't a test of any particular skills. The winner strikes me as having much more to do with the team, equipment, and consistency rather than the driver's performance. I'm lost as to how its in any way compelling to watch. It hasn't produced any worthwhile culture that I can see. In fact I've been told the Nascar culture is pretty bad, although I've never personally experienced it. None of its stars have seemed to amount to anything worthwhile as far as cultural presences outside of their cars.

As the guy said the only interest I can see is watching the end of a close race. And that can be accomplished in dozens of more engaging sports that also offer true athletic endeavors, more direct individual performances, and don't take 3 hours. Why would I watch the end of a Nascar race when I could watch a sprinter or horses? Or turn on drag racing if I want to see cars?

I just don't see the worth. Then again I live in NY so I don't have to see. In fact, Nascar never invades my world except when Earnhardt's number pops up on some promotion.

I'll check out the Noah/Thomas one.

I opted to accept a throwdown while I was over there. This weirdo thinks the Indians have one of the best pitching staffs in baseball.
www.fannation.com/throwdowns/show/25916

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Lucky, do you think wrestling is worthless? I'm just trying to see where you are coming from. I think much of the arguments against NASCAR could also be used against wrestling. I think at the end of the day NASCAR boils down to a race. And a race is something that all humans can understand and relate to. The desire to be the fastest. We race in running, swimming, bicycles, cars, motorcycles. It seems like it is just something we do as a society. Look at how many movies have a big scene centered around a race.

Edit: The Noah/Thomas one isn't much now. We've only made one argument a piece and his was really weak. But I've read some of his toher throwdowns and I think he'll be able to come up with something decent. Stay tuned on that one.

I'm reading the Indians one now. This should be a slaughter.

[Lucky]

Do I think wrestling is worthless? Nah, probably not. I think there's legitimate expressions of athletic talent within it. There is unique drama. There are individual performers who can stand out either as wrestlers or on screen performers. I think wrestling is a stage show. And while there can be plenty of bad and cheap performances it has the potential to be something great. And even when its not there's plenty of room for individual performances or a show that just entertains if doesn't provide anything special.

I can see how you'd compare Nascar and wrestling as they're both "not sports." But one is a choreographed show with many elements and individual performances. The other is an actual competition. Whether that competition provides any compelling performances, drama, or standout performances is the question.

Nascar offers no show that I can see. Yes, it boils down to a race and we can understand that. But it seems to be the most contrived form of race we have. We watch cars who's only different distinction is their advertisement. The race extends across the same small track for lap after lap after lap where positioning constantly changes. Drivers constantly stop in the middle of races to refuel and work on their cars. Which raises the clear question as to how much of the race is about the driver and how much is about his equipment and crew. Who am I cheering for? What am I cheering for? Do I spend 3 hours cheering? Is there any engaging entertainment given to me for the first 2 1/2 hours of it?

I haven't watched a hell of a lot of Nascar so maybe I'm missing key points of drama.

Look, if you lined up 10 guys with slinkies at the top of world's largest staircase you'd theoretically have a race. You could televise that on ESPN and we could watch. Would it have any worth? Its a competition, yes. Its a race, yes. It also lacks any real human drama and fails to offer performances that we can enjoy.

Yes, there are lots of movies about car racing. How many of those are about the sort of racing inherent in Nascar? And how many of those films like Days of Thunder focus on the hours of racing or put the focus of the film on the human drama outside the car and the few pivotal moments of the race? If you have a reason to give a shit whether Kyle Petty wins the NASCAR Cup or not then I can see you caring about NASCAR. The question is, why do I give a shit whether Kyle Petty wins? Does he entertain me? Does he impress me with his skill and performance?

[Loki]

luckylopez said:

Yes, there are lots of movies about car racing. How many of those are about the sort of racing inherent in Nascar? And how many of those films like Days of Thunder focus on the hours of racing or put the focus of the film on the human drama outside the car and the few pivotal moments of the race? If you have a reason to give a shit whether Kyle Petty wins the NASCAR Cup or not then I can see you caring about NASCAR. The question is, why do I give a shit whether Kyle Petty wins? Does he entertain me? Does he impress me with his skill and performance?

CARS, man. Pixar's CARS is the balm to soothe your NASCAR soul.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

www.fannation.com/throwdowns/show/25634

Here is the completed Noah/Thomas one. I think it went well. I'd be intereted to know your real opinions. Obviously I'm close to Noah's g@me. It will be interesting to see what outside observers have to say.

This guy challenged me and I declined originally. The last time I did a throwdown defending Noah it was against a retard with a terrible argument and I got blown out. I really don't expect to win it since it seems people really want to hate Noah.

Lucky, I preparing a rebuttal on the NASCAR thing but work is getting in the way. I'll get around to it sometime.

[Lucky]

By the way, I can't help but think how hilarious my slinkie example was when I realize that tomorrow morning I will wake up and watch that small Asian man eat 40 hot dogs. But at least there I can be amused by his insane performance and unique ability. And laugh at the fat men who almost assuredly will consume less hot dogs than the one skinny girl.

For a joke I'd challenge you to a throwdown titled "Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest is more worthwhile than NASCAR" but I don't imagine winning that vote.