[The Jewish Cunthead]

Feb 1, 2010 20:29:23 GMT -5 Lucky said:

You can do whatever you like and maybe at this age you've just learned not to plan ahead for days that won't come

HA!

[Attitude Adjuster]

Hey, Lucky's got a point. Why he's being nice to me, however, is confusing. I'm taking the F1 and F2 tags off Lincecum and Hamilton.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

I love ya AA but I noticed the same thing and wasn't going to say a damn thing. If you want to waste a tag on either guy when you could pick up a keeper in a much cheaper round, that's on you.

[Lucky]

As commish I feel obliged to mention ways to benefit the league like I did with Army, regardless of my person feelings for slimy, cheating, creepy old men.

Plus in the long term its a league wide benefit since (a) this conversation registers with other people who didn't realize it so they won't make the same mistake and (b) AA might move Lincecum or Hamilton down the line and now someone else isn't locked into retarded franchise decisions.

EDIT: Plus from a Karmic/Christian perspective there's SO many points available for doing a charitable thing for someone who makes my life miserable who also is enfeebled and elderly. I just made up for that time I tied a freshman to a tree.

[Mikey]

Why he didn't tag Soriano last year is what i wanna know.

[Attitude Adjuster]

Dear Lucky: I agree with all the round changes. I will still beat you. And I'm not enfeebled.

Dear Mikey: Fuck you. How many C&B titles do YOU have? That's what I thought.

[Sparty]

Dear AA: How many have you won in the last two years?

[DevSop]

The ESPN Site is back up so hopefully we can get the last few teams who need to declare keepers done and get the draft started by next week.

[Lucky]

Yes. New deadline for keepers is 8 PM EST Wednesday evening, Feb 10th.

MKid and Grover still don't have an official list in. If you know how to get ahold of either, let them know.

Tomorrow evening I'll give Lou another look at the free agent pool and let him finalize his 5 and then everything should be set sometime Thursday/Friday for the draft on Monday.

[Pun]

Kazmir may be on the block for picks. I'm waiting to hear from Lou about who he is taking with the #2 pick. A deal would have to be done quickly if you want him.

[Grover]

Here are my keepers (I won't be using the F2 tag):

F1 - BJ Upton - OF - TB
2. - Billy Butler - 1B - KC (Cost: 16th)
3. - Andrew McCutchen - OF - PIT (Cost: 25th)
4. - Nate McLouth - OF - ATL (Cost: 22th)
5. - Joba Chamberlain - P - NYY (Cost: 23rd)

[Lucky]

Ok, Kid's and Grover's keepers are in. We have 55 and we should be good. That leaves Lou to pick his. When Lou picks his our keepers are done and you guys can make any trades you want. And once i have the draft all set picks can start whenever people want, but the clocks won't start until Monday.

[Lou]

Grady Sizemore (CF - Cle) - F1
Brandon Philips (2B - CIN) - F2 Rd 5
Jacoby Ellsbury (CF - BOS) - Rd 23
Wandy Rodriguez (SP - Hou) Rd 13
Elvis Andrus (SS - Tex) Rd 12

[Pun]

Feb 9, 2010 19:16:28 GMT -5 Lucky said:

Ok, Kid's and Grover's keepers are in. We have 55 and we should be good. That leaves Lou to pick his. When Lou picks his our keepers are done and you guys can make any trades you want. And once i have the draft all set picks can start whenever people want, but the clocks won't start until Monday.

Even though Lou posted his keepers, I just changed my list based on this:

Feb 9, 2010 15:33:39 GMT -5 Lucky said:

Yes. New deadline for keepers is 8 PM EST Wednesday evening, Feb 10th.

[Lucky]

Feb 1, 2010 20:26:20 GMT -5 Lucky said:

Also, please don't edit your posts in here. It adds confusion as if you edit a post after deadline how do we not know you changed it post deadline? Plus its easier for me to keep track of if I know you made a change. So if you make a change just repost your list and if you do edit the 1st one just strike it out.

[Pun]

"how do we not know you changed it post deadline?"

Because it gives the date and time of the edit? ;D

[Lucky]

Right, but its still a lot easier for me to keep track of changes I have to make if they show up in a new post rather than having to go back through the old posts and check for edit tags.

I figured yours out anyway, but for anyone else who might change things up in the next 5 hours or so it would make my job a lot easier if you just repost your lists and specifically tell me what you changed.

[Lucky]

Jan 21, 2010 8:15:19 GMT -5 Pun said:

My list:

F1) Dustin Pedroia (2B - BOS)
F2) Ryan Zimmerman (3B - WAS) Rd 6
3) Carlos Marmol (RP - CHC) Rd 21
4) Chad Billingsly (SP - LAD) Rd 11
5) Derrek Lee (1B - CHC) Rd 4

Pun, your keepers don't work. You can't F2 Zimmerman because Billingsley was F2ed last year. So you can drop Billingsley and F2 Zimmerman or you can keep Zimmerman at full price and Billingsley as your F2.

[Pun]

Feb 10, 2010 15:13:55 GMT -5 Lucky said:

Right, but its still a lot easier for me to keep track of changes I have to make if they show up in a new post rather than having to go back through the old posts and check for edit tags.

But where would the fun in that be?

[Pun]

Feb 10, 2010 15:20:57 GMT -5 Lucky said:

Pun, your keepers don't work. You can't F2 Zimmerman because Billingsley was F2ed last year. So you can drop Billingsley and F2 Zimmerman or you can keep Zimmerman at full price and Billingsley as your F2.

My mistake. I could have sworn we could change the F2 tag, just not the F1.

New list:
1) F1 - Dustin Pedroia (2B - BOS)
2) Ryan Zimmerman (3B - WAS) Rd 5
3) Carlos Marmol (RP - CHC) Rd 21
4) F2 - Chad Billingsly (SP - LAD) Rd 11
5) Derrek Lee (1B - CHC) Rd 4

[Lucky]

Ok, barring any mistakes the keepers are set and up. As always, double check my work to make sure I didn't accidentally screw you. I caught a number of mistakes from my first go through but right now at the very least I'm confident everyone's got 5 keepers up there.

Derrek Lee is the most expensive keeper of 2010, costing a 4th Rd pick. Keepers are getting to be expensive it seems as Brandon Phillips, Justin Upton, and Ryan Zimmerman all go in the 5th, Adam Wainwright and Josh Johnson in the 6th, Justin Morneau, Jair Jurrjens, and Chris Carpenter in the 9th, and Scott Baker and Jayson Werth in the 10th. I'm pretty confident we've never had near that many keepers go in the top 10 rounds.

Everyone point and laugh at Solly because not only was his draft in trouble before keepers but he just got raped hard by Keeper Costs this season. Two Keepers in the 9th Rd would have been bad enough if Solly had a 9th Rd pick. Or an 8th. Instead Solly will lose his 6th and 7th Rd picks. The end result of this is that after Solly picks #56 in the 5th Round he won't pick again until the 11th round at #119.

There are now only 13 Keepers left over from the 2006 Draft, down from 19 last season. Not surprisingly, 7 of them are F1 Keepers.

22 of the 60 Keepers are first time keepers in 2009. Ervin Santana remains the only player to be kept twice in non-successive years as there were new entries into that group this year.

For your interest here's the 22 Keepers who didn't return from last year. Most notable from this bunch is Nick Markakis, who we can presume fell victim to the downside of Franchising someone as Grover was forced to choose between him and BJ Upton as his sole F1. Lets just all give thanks that AA didn't clue in and as the only player with no F1s realize that he could probably get Markakis for a bag of balls just so Grover got something.

Geovanny Soto (C - CHC)	Pun	Rd 7, '08	F1	F1
Nick Markakis (OF - BAL)	GM	Rd 8, '07	F1	F1
Matt Garza (SP - TB)	Army	Rd 14, '08	Rd 12	Rd 10
Aaron Harang (SP - Cin)	Vols	Rd 15, '06	Rd 11	Rd 9
Russell Martin (C - LAD)	GM	Rd 15, '07	Rd 11	Rd 9
Stephen Drew (SS - ARI)	Grover	Rd 15, '08	Rd 13	Rd 11
Mike Pelfrey (SP - NYM)	Dev	Rd 16, '08	Rd 14	Rd 12
Chris Young (SP - SD)	Lucky	Rd 17, '06	F2 - Rd 15	F2 - Rd 14
Ervin Santana (SP - LAA)	Grover	Rd 17, '08	Rd 15	Rd 13
Chien-Ming Wang (SP - NYY)	MKid	Rd 23, '06	Rd 19	Rd 17
Alex Rios (OF - Tor)	Lucky	Undrafted, '06	Rd 23	Rd 21
Dan Uggla (2B - Fla)	MKid	Undrafted, '06	Rd 23	Rd 21
Daisuke Matsuzaka (SP - Bos)	Mike	Undrafted, '06	Rd 23	Rd 21
Eric Byrnes (OF - ARI)	AA	Undrafted, 07	Rd 23	Rd 21
Cory Hart (OF - MIL)	Grover	Undrafted, '07	Rd 23	Rd 21
Edison Volquez (SP - CIN)	Moose	Undrafted, '08	Rd 25	Rd 23
Alexei Ramirez (2B - CHW)	Moose	Undrafted, '08	Rd 25	Rd 23
Carlos Quentin (LF - CHW)	Solly	Undrafted, '08	Rd 25	Rd 23
Max Scherzer (P - ARI)	Mike	Undrafted, '08	Rd 25	Rd 23
Clay Buchholz (SP - BOS)	Vols	Undrafted, '08	Rd 25	Rd 23
Armando Gallaraga (SP - DET)	Pun	Undrafted, '08	Rd 25	Rd 23
Ricky Nolasco (SP - FLA)	Pun	Undrafted, '08	Rd 25	Rd 23
Ryan Doumit (C - PIT)	AA	Undrafted, '08	Rd 25	Rd 23