[williamssl]

salmonjunkie said:

Chris Jericho's debut on RAW was one of my most memorable wrestling moments. My girlfriend at the time wanted to have sex so we did, but we left the TV on. So here I am plugging away while watching the TV when Jericho made his debut. It was awesome.

It'd be nice for that to happen again but these days I don't watch PPVs that aren't Wrestlemania and the Royal Rumble. That and I don't have a regular sexual partner at the moment, let alone one who'd be willing to do it while I'm watching wrestling on TV.

So you're going to be sitting home beating off to Jericho's re-debut then. Great. And If you're also in chat when all this is going on I supposed you'll tell us. By typing with your other hand.

[Lucky]

I don't remember that story and it disturbs me to now hear it. There's a few people I could imagine planning to have sex when Jericho re-debuts. If only so that at least one of them can be disappointed when he doesn't debut and then when his girl is encouraging him for some action he has to brush her off and say "No, baby, I'm not in the mood with no Jericho." Then he can start a long journey of self discovery.

WWE wants to make money. They have a moment during the Monday Night Wars that a bunch of wrestling fans consider one of the greatest. They've got a ton of hype around this one and they have a chance to repeat it. Do it on PPV and try and make some money. It makes sense and I won't kill them for it. Its what I'd do. If Jericho doesn't excite you enough to buy the PPV on a chance then you'll see him Monday.

[Mikey]

luckylopez said:

There's a few people I could imagine planning to have sex when Jericho re-debuts.

If "a few people" equals anybody around here, you gotta tell us who ya got in mind.

[Concrete TG]

admin said:

Not sure if anyone has checked out the OO thread, but there is some pretty interesting shit going on. A new website was found that has a countdown leading to 10:30 Sunday night - right around the end of the PPV. There are also 4 links on the site - they all take you to matches, promos, or something involving Jericho. And the website was registered to the same guy at WWE that registered all the others.

And it was fun to follow, play with, and really added to things. but since Jericho didn't arrive per the clock on the site (which the time changes as you changed your computer) there's a lot of second-guessing going on now.

Shame, too, I put the $40 down for the PPV. I thought it was an above average show, but jericho's arrival would put it over the top.

I'm not sorry I spent the money - Finlay/Mysterio was better than expected, we get two bonus matches (Kane/MVP, harmless; Kennedy/Hardy, some good work but an abrupt ending), Main event was great and Austin didn't offend me as much as expected. I missed HBK/Orton and most of HHH/Umaga (Family related) so I'll comment on those later.

I'd love to see something updayed on the saveus page, and at least give us a little bit more.

[Pun]

And because of the no-show, the bickering and in-fighting has gotten even worse. And what makes it funny is that it's a bunch of newbs bitching at each other. I don't think there was a vet involved, except maybe nOOb, but he probably just wants to tell everyone the WWE wasted 3 hours of his life.

[Concrete TG]

I will point this out about the PPV -- I didn't see any Y2J signs or "save us" Signs in the crowd. I also didn't hear any Y2J chants through the show. That strikes me as odd, or maybe we DID go a bit overboard on it. with that in mind, did vince squash all those rumors to the casual fanbase at No Mercy?

[DevSop]

Want a vet's opinion...the WWE shoved a big fat cock in their hardcore fans' asses last night. To a casual fan, last night's show was good enough I guess. The in-ring action didn't do anything special for me. Another DQ in a world title match is annoying enough, but there was absolutely no sizzle last night. Everything ranged from meh to mediocre and for a Monday night, that'd have been fine. For an off-month PPV where WWE only charged, maybe $25-$30, it woulda been okay. For $40 a month, the WWE needs to do a lot better in something. I don't care if it's putting on 5-star matches at least once a month, or doing ANYTHING that gets people talking the next morning, but if they want wrestling to ever hit another peak, they need to get a collective brain and wake the fuck up.

For the most part spending $40 is a big expense a month and if wrestling was even approaching anything resembling an upswing, I'd consider trying to get a few friends and check out a few PPVs, but I'd get laughed out of the room if I even brought people over to watch that. It honestly seems like they know they're going to get a certain # of ppv buys each month, ratings will be pretty consistent across all 3 shows, and house shows will still do okay business...so why try to succeed. And in the long run it'll hurt them. Truthfully it wouldn't take much for TNA to pass them. People treated WCW alot like TNA before it went to Mondays and hit gold with Nash, Hall, and Hogan. All TNA needs is that spark and they can do it. And WWE will be sitting on their ass for over a year trying to figure out what happened before they start competing again.

[The Canadian Content]

devilsoprano said:

doing ANYTHING that gets people talking the next morning

I think they've succeeded if this is all you're after.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

WWE has screwed up so much in the last 2 years that I'm not even considering buying tickets to Wrestlemania and it is in my backyard. I would have killed for Mania tickets if this was 1999-2003. But now I'm so apathetic towards the entire product that I'd only go if I won the tickets or received them for free. This is a sad state of affairs.

And I still think the WWE DID NOT in any way promise Jericho. Anybody who thinks that is delusional. I'm still not even 100% convinced he is coming back.

[The Canadian Content]

I've still got a feeling he'll pop up tonight. It never made sense that he was going to show at CS, given that they didn't advertize anything of the sort. There was no "Someone's coming" or "Jericho's coming" or anything like that. If he had been coming back last night, the Fed would've hyped the hell out of it for the past month in a blatantly obvious manner.

[williamssl]

metallikid said:

And I still think the WWE DID NOT in any way promise Jericho. Anybody who thinks that is delusional.

Quoted for motherfucking truth.

While some of the speculation has been fun to watch , some people are going way overboard with it.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

With speculations on countdowns and what not, it's really fucking sad. If/when Jericho comes back, it's going to be hyped like any other returning star to increase buyrates or whatever.

[Lucky]

WWE in no way promised Jericho last night. They did tease him, or at least go along with the teasing IF they were responsible for the countdown website. If they weren't? Then fuck it, they're off the hook. That was just someone scamming the overzealous fans. But if they were behind the countdown clock than they DID tease something and had already teased Jericho. Otherwise its just the same culpability as Jericho himself. If he's not set to debut he's letting a lot of fans believe he is when he makes comments that can be interpreted as teases. He knows what's happening so he knows if he says "I gotta go catch my next engagement" on the day he's expected to show at the PPV a little ways away that people are gonna go there.

But that's it. Presuming the countdown clock wasn't WWE's? Which it sounds like it may not have been? That's just on the people who got themselves all riled up. And that's exactly why many of us have been avoiding getting riled up and saying this was a bit silly and the Save_Us folks have shit on everyone's who's suggested that (I'm looking at you, SuperRob).

[National Champion Chris Cole]

If the countdown clock was never on WWE TV or the WWE webiste then I'm not buying that they in any way teased it. Any real storyline will go through one of those channels.

[Lucky]

Agreed. If it wasn't there's then you're just an idiot who have noone to blame but yourself if you bought Cyber Sunday FOR Jericho. WWE didn't promise you nothing or tease nothing so it ain't on them.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

This reminds of Vengeance '01 when a returning HHH was featured on the artwork and some of the promos. So naturally everyone in the SD Sports Arena that night expected him to show up when Jericho united both belts. He never did and a lot of people there were pissed but they never specifically said he was coming back that night.

[williamssl]

Featuring someone prominently in the artwork vs. the viral 222 thing are very different.

The artwork pretty much says "this person here". But the "featured in artwork and then not showing" seems to happen a little more frequently though. Recent example: GAB/Rey Mysterio.

I know the artwork isn't explicitly saying it...but who's looking at Survivor Series and NOT expecting Edge back based on the artwork?

[Lucky]

If you stick someone's face on a promotional poster you're using him to sell the show. Candice Michelle was on the Cyber Sunday poster and in theory Candice fans were disappointed to see her absent. But yeah, WWE never stuck Jericho's name, face, or hints on anything that said Cyber Sunday. Can't get on them until you determine the Countdown was there's.

Of course that everyone presumed it was there's before and now doesn't speaks to some basic gullibility and desperation to be satisfied.

[DevSop]

2 slight problems with what's being said, promotional artwork is normally sent out a few months in advance and things could inevitably change affecting whether or not a person shows up.

Secondly, and just basing it off the clusterfuck that is OO, but if the sites were set-up by WWE employees and I have no idea why WWE would play ads hyping a website and then not owning it, the WWE did in fact tease the countdown clock. It may have only been to a hardcore niche fanbase, but it was teased to them. Again, assuming the websites are theirs.

I have no clue what any of the websites currently have, cause I just dont fucking care that much. But this did seem like an attempt for the WWE to try a new marketing idea and it did seem like it was hyping something for 10:30 last night. If the WWE does own that website, they royally fucked that niche audience. Whether or not it was Jericho, is irrelevant, but a 10:30 countdown clock was within the framework of WWE's viral campaign here. Nothing happened, WWE fucked up. Period.

[Mikey]

devilsoprano said:

Want a vet's opinion...the WWE shoved a big fat cock in their hardcore fans' asses last night.

Then what was tonight? The creampie?

Seriously, I laughed my ass off at the Regal/Vince finale.

[Lucky]

So... next week?

[creepy]

They're doing something right. Normally, I'd just FF through most of Raw. Tonight, I watched most of it, you know, just in case.

Did that Diva winner girl used to be a dude? That's the best they could come up with?


Marella's funny. Tom Hanks from the AIDS movie?

[Lucky]

HA! You're like the 3rd guy I've heard say that about the Diva Search winner. That can't be good.

You're a dupe if you watched intently. I watched Santino, half naked chicks, and tuned out.

[creepy]

I figured he wasn't, but you just never know.......


I think Jericho booked those signings where he booked them on purpose. He might not have anything to do with any of this whatsoever. Get's his name out there, though, and I guess that's the main goal.


I guess I'm a quasi-dupe.

[DevSop]

If Jericho has nothing to do with the WWE at this moment, TNA would be stupid not to offer him a few million to appear at Genesis. I'm not sure if there's any payoff there whatsoever, but it'd just be a nice big slap to WWE for teasing their fans about something and then having the predicted outcome actually appear on a TNA ppv.