[Batman]

That's this week? Hell, I thought it was next week.

Cole: Yeah, back when we did this before the eligibility period started with TNA on Thursday and ended with ECW on Tuesday. Lucky convinced me that Mon-Sun would work better.

AA: You will not be the only one with a pronounced TNA bias. No big. We'll be glad to have you again. And Cole. You two were among the most reliable weekly voters last time around as I recall.

Thanks for the replies guys. I think with the two of you added, we have a big enough core group to feel confident that it's worth giving this thing a try. Me, Lucky, TheDead, AA, and Cole. That's only five--I hope we can build up to at least ten. But, worst case scenario, the five of us can do it, and everyone else can see how much fun the 12Pack threads can be and wander in as we go along.

Shit, I need to watch Raw and ECW. Or at least the highlights. Were there highlights? Jetskid?

[Attitude Adjuster]

If (and I say that with hope it returns) OO doesn't come back, we need someone to do some quick and dirty recaps of shows. I really enjoyed Pyro's "All You Need to Know" recaps. They gave me a 5-minute read and then if I thought something was interesting I'd go back and watch the section on TiVo. My wrestling time is clearly condensed now. I watch TNA on Friday afternoon/evening or the weekend, and that's about it. I do check out ROH on occasions, thanks to the transference to me of Lucky's lust of Lacey.

[DevSop]

Thanks for counting me Sir Gay. I really appreciate it. Loser, go watch Snow White.

[Batman]

Regardless of OO, someone needs to do that. For those who don't have DVR (or XWT) I'll host noteworthy segments on youtube for everyone's consideration.

[wld]

I'll give it a shot. Like you guys said, it'll give me an excuse to pay attention to the shows (or at least read recaps).

[Lucky]

Yeah, I'm glad to hear some people speak up. Like Serg I was just curious as to whether this was basically worth it. If Serg didn't want to I was gonna give it a couple of weeks anyway just to see if it caught on, but knowing we have some kinda core is best.

And the way I'm thinking is we are in Week 0. RAW, ECW, tonight's Impact, SD, Wrestlemania, ROH, and whatever else. Its a big week for 3 companies and the biggest for WWE so that it makes sense. But let it pick up steam and NEXT week will be Week 1. If somehow this lasts a year then it sets Wrestlemania as the end of the wrestling year and the Monday after as the start of the new year. But we've got Week 0 in there anyway, which in many ways served as a practice run since it was outside the "season."

Does that make sense to anyone but me?


And in case Serge and my tendency to over do stuff confused people its simple. Rank 6 guys from anywhere. You can do ties but they have to take up a spot. No more than a 2 way tie at 6th, so no more than 7 guys on a ballot.

[Mr. Dashbee]

I'm in (and involved). Afterall, this was my invention, and I had been hoping to bring it back. I just responded to Serge and Lucky's message, so hopefully we'll get some word out soon.

[Tommy]

When do we start?

[Batman]

Week 0 started with Raw this Monday and ends with WM on Sunday. Now that Lucky explained it more, I understand why he's calling it week 0. It will count, and when we do cumulative rankings it will effect those. But presuming that we keep this up for a whole year, it won't count as part of the "season." This is the last week of the wrestling year, and next week, Week 1, will be the first week of the wrestling year, and will start with the first Raw after WM.

We need to decide on a deadline for ballots. Wednesday?

Check out the backup thread of the old OO 12-Pack to see what the ballots were like. Each of your six guys followed by a sentence or two about why you feel they deserve the ranking you gave them. Keep in mind this is based just on what they did that week. If you think that Joe is the greatest wrestler in the world today (f'rinstace,) but he had the week off, you need to wait till next week to rank him. This is important, because it makes the cumulative rankings more meaningful.

[Mr. Dashbee]

Serge is exactly right. Each week needs to exist independently. That makes the cumulative rankings matter. I remember in the OOriginal rankings, We had a rolling 4 week rankings (to see who's hot right now) and a cumulative rankings (to see who's consistent). I think I wanted to do a yearly one, too, but it didn't last.

I vote we make the deadline Monday, so the weekly rankings can be out in time for RAW, when the new week kicks off. I think the overlap may have hurt the first installment. I know it's a small vot-casting window, so I hope it might work out.

And it needs a name, too. Any ideas?

Lucky/Serge - check your PMs...

[Batman]

gb said:

I remember in the OOriginal rankings, We had a rolling 4 week rankings (to see who's hot right now) and a cumulative rankings (to see who's consistent).

Actually, it was a rolling 5-week ranking, though I don't remember why we chose 5. Unless there's a compelling reason to do otherwise, I think we should change it to Rolling 6-Week rankings, to go along with the general beery theme.

I think I wanted to do a yearly one, too, but it didn't last.

I think we should do quarterly rankings, as well.

I vote we make the deadline Monday, so the weekly rankings can be out in time for RAW, when the new week kicks off. I think the overlap may have hurt the first installment. I know it's a small vot-casting window, so I hope it might work out.

I understand your perspective on this, but I just don't think we'd get very many ballots that quickly. I think the switch to a Mon-Sun eligibility period will help keep the overlap from confusing people. You just have to remember that the shows to be considering are last week's Raw and last week's ECW.

I say Wednesday.

And it needs a name, too. Any ideas?

I think just "The 12-Pack" is fine, but if the people want something flashier, no problem by me.

[Lucky]

- "12 Pack" works for me, but I'm drunk right now.

- I too get the idea of ending voting before RAW but realistically I think its too much to ask on PPV weekends. Or just average weekends when some posters access the board during weekdays. I think the added confusion will be worth the extra ballots we get. Because God knows there will be Mondays where I will not get a chance to sit down and think before 9.

- 6 weeks, 4, 5. A rolling show of momentum is cool and an month or 6 weeks is similar. I think 6 fits the model well.

- If we last I think quarterly and whatever else just adds to the coolness of it.

[Fire-Babe]

I'm here! (thanks for the PM). But I am of course late. What do I do (and yes, I'm reading about that now, but if there's a quick start thing, lemme know.)

[snelson66]

I'm in. I usually catch most of the WWE and TNA programming.

[Fire-Babe]

attitudeadjuster said:

If (and I say that with hope it returns) OO doesn't come back, we need someone to do some quick and dirty recaps of shows. I really enjoyed Pyro's "All You Need to Know" recaps.

I'd keep doing ECW (although I need to work on not writing a novel.) Just give me a place to send 'em.

[Pun]

fire, I sent out a PM, but I was thinking that the recap could be the first post in the start of the discussion thread. This place really doesn't have a good spot to do just a recap, and since we are going to be discussing the shows anyway, a recap would be as good a place as any to start the discussion.

[Pun]

Oh, and perhaps we need to give the 12-Pack its own sub-forum since there will be a new thread devoted to it every week. Thoughts?

[Lucky]

In its time. Right now the 12-Pack is a new(ish) idea in a forum that we just brought to the surface and which will possibly dominate it anyway.

If its the 2nd thread in the Games forum I think that's better than being in a subforum in the Games forum.

[bdoriginal]

Count me in guys. So far, Flair's taking one of my top 3 spots, if only because I love his crazy old man act.

[Fire-Babe]

I'm not sure it's an act....

So, by when do we post this week's selections? (Sorry, I'm incredibly dense today)

[Lucky]

Sunday is the end of the week's eligibility period. So after WM Sunday night/Monday morning one of use will start a Week 0 thread you can post your ballots.

[Batman]

bdoriginal said:

Count me in guys. So far, Flair's taking one of my top 3 spots, if only because I love his crazy old man act.

Oh, hell yes. His promo against Shawn, making the WWE champ tap-out, and still a WM match against Shawn to come. Whether it's the last week of his career of not, the #1 slot on my ballot, at least, is his to lose.

Last night I watched the three shows that have aired so far that are in week 0. If the week were over Flair and Sting would be my top two. But as cool as Sting's return was, with WM still to come, lots of guys still have the opportunity to knock Sting down, maybe all the way off my ballot.

Whereas Flair has two more matches on Friday and Sunday (and probably a promo or two) to solidify himself in the top spot for the week.

Unless somebody really steals the show away from him at WM, the #1 slot on my ballot is all his.

[Lucky]

Yeah, my preliminary Week 0 ballot has Flair as the only seeming lock. James Storm, AJ Styles, Sting, Angle, Joe, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, and Alex Shelley in the run. Shelton and Flair should lock up their spots at WM and I'm sure a few other WWE guys will step up. Not that many TNA guys stood out to me this week so WWE could score 5 spots or so with a big show.

But I mark for James Storm.

EDIT: ROH has 2 shows this week and big ones so if I check out a video wire and am impressed by their results then maybe one of them sneaks on. But it should be WWE's 5-6 spots to lose with WM.

[jetskid48]

Serg just recruited me to even out this thing, so I just want to make sure I got this straight without having to review 4 pages...

So basically, we pick 12 guys each week, allotting points to them from 1-12, and we could make ties, combine points, take points away from certain spots, as long as the final number comes out to whatever 1+2+3...+12 equals. Order it by who we think had the strongest week and down, then all the points are tabulated and we get the culmuative totals top 12 of who participated and get to see what the collective trend of the audience here is. Sounds fun and a good way to start since I actually got to watch TNA this week.

Completely agree the Flair stuff so far, his promo Monday won me over big time. As long as he has a strong enough match at Mania, I don't know anyone else that was super impressive this week. Of course, Wrestlemania could change my mind depending if someone else steps up.

[DevSop]

Only rank 6 jets...we each rank 6 to make an overall list of 12. so the total points given out is 21. Try not to tank more than 7 total and you can be a little creative if something interesting happens outside the box. I know there was one week where TNA did some awesome stuff across the board and I gave my last spot to the booking/creative team.

With regards to ROH stuff, I'll try and post reviews of shows I get to go to, other than that I will try to post results after every show and if possible a link to the rohboard where the results are discussed. Be forewarned that their board sucks and it literally can turn into a big dick-waving contest about who is a bigger rohbot. But sometimes the results will have some detailed descriptions if it helps get people to consider them. If that goes well, I'll start doing with indy shows that catch my eye in other areas of the country. The main ones I can think of that do shows with semi-recognizable names are JAPW, CZW, IWA-MS, Shimmer, and PWG. If people know of others, I'd definitely be interested in reading about, finding some shows from any company.