[DevSop]

It's our two cinderellas meeting in the quarterfinals.

Our 10 seed Smallville has gotten past Criminal Intent and Fall Guy before upsetting 24 in the round of 16.

The 15 seed Magnum P.I. got past it's first two easy rounds with wins over Alias and Alfred Hitchcock before knocking out the big #2 seed Buffy in a fucking dumb decision. MAGNUM P.I. SUCKS.


10. SMALLVILLE




vs.


15. MAGNUM P.I.




I'm not even that big a supporter of Smallville, but come on now. Hot Chick factor, comic book appeal, young votes, anti-80s votes, I'll take anything to get the shitty nostalgia out. Magnum=shitty nostalgia.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

Is there any good nostalgia?

[Jack Quinn]

keep the porn stache alive! It is obviously a better show than buffy, therefore it is also a better show than Smallville

[salmonjunkie]

fsolomon75 said:

Is there any good nostalgia?

Whatcha talkin bout Willis?

[The Jewish Cunthead]

I was asking Sop - I think we all know where I stand on that... although by the same token we know where he does too.

[DevSop]

Not true. I think Family Ties, Growing Pains, Who's the Boss are all really good 80's sitcoms. I think the issue is with these dramas. There was nothing DRAMATIC about the storytelling in these shows. And then for the most part, the fucking acting sucked. Don Johnson was a joke, Tom Selleck was a joke, David Hasselhoff was a joke and those are the lead actors from 3 of the biggest "dramas" of the 80s. And I'm not going to argue that Tom Welling is the next Tom Hanks, but he's by far better than all 3 of the guys I just mentioned. And then there's supporting casts on all of these new shows that do have some really superb actors/actresses. Smallville has Michael Rosenbaum and Allison Mack. Buffy had Emma Caulfield, Anthony Stewart Head, and Nicholas Brendon. Heroes has Adrian Pasdar, Masi Oka, and Greg Grunberg among others. And that's not even stating that some of the leads in these shows; Boreanaz, Gellar, etc. have been recognized on mulitple levels as outstanding actors. I can't remember Hasselhoff or Selleck ever ever even considered good.

[Lucky]

Tom Selleck > Tom Welling. By like a fucking mile. I'd like to list more leading men from the 80s who are better than Welling because Welling is just a fucking horrific actor who doesn't deserve an ounce of respect more than a porn actor. But Hasselhoff and Johnson are pretty fucking horrid in their own right.

Gellar's bad. Brendon really sucks. Otherwise I have no major objections with your named guys.

TV actors tend to suck ass. Its why they tend to be TV actors instead of film actors. There are exceptions. Denzel Washington on St Elsewhere. Johnny Depp on 21 Jump Street. There will always be those cases. But in general if some 80's TV actor never made it to film (or good film) you can bet there's a good reason for that. In the last decade or so there has been a slight change in respected film actors giving TV a go (Glenn Close with Shield and Damage; Omar Epps with House) but it was very rare back in the 80s.

But Jesus Christ Welling is a piece of shit actor who can't manage to express more than one fucking emotion on that show and is the biggest reason I really can't consider myself a fan.

And what did Boreanaz ever get recognized as? I see Saturn awards and Teen Choice awards. Tom Selleck won an Emmy and a Golden Globe. And 3 People's Choice Awards. Surely Magnum wins that contest, by those standards, no? Has ANYONE above the age of 15 and possessing a Y chromosome every called "Angel" an outstanding actor? And I say that as someone who is a big fan of that show.

[Lou]

Lopez is all, "Fuck that! I'm gonna google tv awards. I DO RESEARCH! WHEN ARE YOU PEOPLE GOING TO GET THAT?!"

By the way, I like Superman and all, but Magnum had a sweet ride and sometimes got to fly in a helicopter in Hawaii.

[Lucky]

HA! Yep, I'm the OO/Pun's House fact checker! Live with it!

I know Gellar won a Daytime Emmy or something so I wasn't gonna waste my time there. But Boreanaz? And I was pretty sure Selleck had himself a shelf. I hope Hasselhoff doesn't.

[Krydor]

I like both, but it's MAGNUM, people. Easily one of the best shows of the 80's on any level.

[DevSop]

Best show of the 80s = Smartest kid on the short bus.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

devilsoprano said:

I think Family Ties, Growing Pains, Who's the Boss are all really good 80's sitcoms.

followed by

devilsoprano said:

Best show of the 80s = Smartest kid on the short bus.

Make up your mind, dude.

[williamssl]

devilsoprano said:

Smartest kid on the short bus.

There's a softball custom status right there.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

[DevSop]

Best drama of the 80s, jeez.

And Lucky, I've watched some Magnum P.I., I watched Friends with Selleck, and I watch Vegas with Selleck. He sucks...if I'm missing the good Selleck, please point it out because he's never done a damn thing that I enjoyed. I'd put him above Hass and Johnson, but it's not saying much. And I even said I think Welling sucks, but I've seen more from him than Selleck that I've enjoyed.

Sorry, I didn't fact check awards, but I know Boreaneaz received critical praise at the very least for Angel. It's probably a personal opinion, but Brendon, when given actual good substance to Xander was really good. When he was treated as a complete joke, well I fault the writers there. Check out his speech in the first episode of season 4, his few speeches in season 7-especially "The One Who Sees/Extraordinary" speech that he gave to Dawn during Potential and a few others.

And for some reason I think you're blaming some shitty roles/dialogue for your opinions of these people. Gellar's been pretty damn good in almost everything I've seen her do where the role wasn't a joke. Kendall on All My Children, Buffy, Cruel Intentions-for the most part.

And I don't think it's fair to put sci-fi actors up against normal shows because they're judged fairly. People can say whatever they want, I will truly put seasons 2 and 3 of Buffy up against anything as some of the best drama ever.

[Lucky]

I think I watched enough sci fi and fantasy that I can judge them. I think Giles, Spike, Caulfield, Willow probably, and Angel a little all showed acting chops. I think Brennon kinda blows. Yes, he was stuck with absolute crap and forced to play a complete lose who spent a decade without ever being anything more than the comical testosterone of the group. But he serious never showed any ability to me, whether it was him agonizing over his uselessness or ditching the girl at the altar or anything. And while his filmography seems small I have seen Pinata and Psycho Beach Party and he sucked hard in this sucky movies. Just doesn't show any ability to me at all. You may think I just hate the Xander and Buffy characters so am hating the actors, but I hate the Willow character plenty and think Hannigan is a solid actress at worst.

Gellar? I just think she's bad. I've never seen All My Children you'll have to excuse me on that as well as my stigma of Soap Opera actors in general (there are good ones, I'm not saying otherwise). I've seen Buffy, Cruel Intentions, Grudge, The Return, Scooby Doo, and Harvard Man. See sucked in all of them and never seemed to be able to take me out of the basic awareness of who she is. I mean, I'm inclined to maybe give CI and Harvard Man more respect but I shouldn't. They were not good movies and I think she was wooden and unnatural in them. She never captured that truly deranged and manipulative bitch that she was supposed to be. She was just a slutty bitch with a bunch of quasi-seduction scenes to make 14-year-old pants swell and a random ass cocaine addiction that existed solely to forest gump their way into an ending. And not that its fair but she never came CLOSE to Glenn Close's performance in Dangerous Liasons. Not that Gellar could hold Close's jock... or whatever. Cruel Intentions was so bad that it took years for me to accept that Phillipe might not suck and that movie managed to make me completely forget that Witherspoon was talented once upon a time (of course Legally Blonde and the rest of her career path managed to erase it entirely).

You've seen plenty of good Selleck. If you don't like him, fine. I can't argue to you that he's good. I don't think he's much more than a likable, natural TV actor. He has a presence and a likability that comes across on screen. He's a basically capable actor unlike Hasselhoff or Johnson. Or that no-talent model Smallville hired to make Clark spend 7 years whining. And dear God I want to forget his film career. But I don't know what to say. If you've seen Selleck and you've seen Welling and you think he's better? Ok. I think you're crazy to call damn near anyone better than Welling including Don Johnson. But I'm not going to convince you that Selleck is good. And I haven't seen his westerns or other stuff to say "go watch that."

Either way if you want to use "critical praise" as a measure for Boreanaz Selleck has plenty of it. And its not anecdotal with him.

[Krydor]

It's utterly insane to think that Magnum is an inferior show to Smallville. Smallville has 6 outstanding episodes a season and the rest is a holding pattern.

Magnum, show to show and season to season was consistently great. I can't think of a bad episode.

[creepy]

I coulda swore that Brennon was at least nominated for an Oscar for Psycho Beach Party. Go fact check it, Lucky.

[DevSop]

Yes, cause we're expecting Oscar performances from a fucking movie called Psycho Beach Party.

[Lucky]

Oh, I grant that Brendan's entire filmography appears to consist of campy horror and stupid comedy. So far from the best situation to judge the guy's range. But I've seen the dramatic speeches and "character defining moments" on Buffy. He kinda wasn't good. At best he was acceptable. No way is he worth mentioning as anything more than the average TV actor.

[bigdonantonio]

Magnum by far

[DevSop]

Smallville moves ahead to the Final 4.