[Batman]

Phantom Stranger is normally only "allowed" (for never-specified reasons) to "guide" the real protagonist of the story, but on the rare occasions when the handcuffs are off, he is (usually) portrayed as being on about the same level as the Spectre, ie really fucking powerful. My impression of Dr. Fate is that he is about equal to Dr. Strange in "mystical might," which puts them both quite a bit below Spectre and Phantom Stranger's level. But any of them (or even Zatanna) would be a threat to Supes, since magic is one of his weaknesses.

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salmonjunkie said:

(more Kyle or Hal than John or Guy)

SHOW GUY RESPECT! guy can take kyle any day of the week.

[The Canadian Content]

Well, I haven't read much Superman, so I don't know whose ass he's kicked and who's kicked his, but as for Thor, he's gone toe-to-toe with Galactus and backed him down. He's beaten the crap out of the Hulk. He's singly-handedly stopped Juggernaut. He's beaten Gladiator. He's defeated Celestials.

The only fight I ever remember him losing outright (whe he wasn't under a spell that weakened him) was to Hercules, and he threw that fight to give Herc his confidence back after he'd been beaten half to death by the Wrecking Crew.

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Unless I'm wrong about this, GL can pretty much create anything with his ring, right? If that's the case, doesn't that make him omnipotent? What, aside from the ring running out of juice, are his weaknesses?

[Loki]

operationretard said:

salmonjunkie said:

(more Kyle or Hal than John or Guy)

SHOW GUY RESPECT! guy can take kyle any day of the week.

Bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit. Stop giving Guy the Rusty Trombone. We all know you have massive Guy love, but Kyle is definitely way above Guy.

Guy IS an entertaining character and if it came to a one-on-one street fight without the rings I'd take Guy nine times out of ten. But with the ring? Kyle all the way.

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kyle ain't shit! don't let guy's prickish demeanor or time spent in the overly wacky (but highly entertaining) JLI make you think guy isn't one hell of a green lantern. it is well documented that the only reason hal jordan got the ring instead of guy gardner was nothing more than his proximity to abin sur's crash.

kyle's a great green lantern, but he's nothing special. guy's got year's of experience over him. hell, i'd take kilowog over kyle.

[Deleted]

Wouldn't Cosmic Spider-Man take out all these fools, though?!?

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captain universe eats cock

[Loki]

I'm not saying Guy ain't a good Green Lantern. I, too, read Recharge and was thrilled to see that they're fleshing out his character and giving him more responsibility.

HOWEVER, I don't care if Guy has one, five, ten or twenty years experience over Kyle. Kyle's better. He's done much more with the ring in the short time he's had it than Guy has with his. Guy was too busy doing his whole half space alien thing, running a bar and pissing off Batman (Guy's goodbye to Bats in Recharge was classic, as was Bats response).

Guy's good at what he is. A maverick GL who goes against the grain. Is he entertaining? Now that there are writers who are actually portraying his as something more than a jackass buffoon, yes. Just change "Green Lantern Corps" to "The New Adventures of Kyle and Guy" already. Those two are the main characters and they deserve to be.

But Kyle has changed and evolved since he became GL. I place him as better than Guy at being a Green Lantern, and according to Recharge, the Guardians do as well.

Each according to their strengths. Guy will never be a better GL than Kyle. But, having said that, Guy will be the best Maverick GL out there.

[Loki]

gatorbait said:

Wouldn't Cosmic Spider-Man take out all these fools, though?!?

Oh yeah. Cosmic Spidey all the way.

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first of all, that whole warrior/alien/whatever-the-hell-that-was thing i'm officially striking from the record. that was ridiculous, and will NOT be admisable! bring that awful dark time up again and i will find you and punch you!

guy is more than just a rebellious attitude with a ring. of course kyle's done more in his time. he's had a solo title for the past 10 years. all guy was ever given in that time was one round of character assasination after another. if guy was given the respect over that time that he's finally getting now, you'd be singing a different tune. i'm not gonna let bad editorial decisions make me think any less of guy.

i don't get the extra super love for kyle. i never did. i never thought he was anything special, no matter how much DC tried to shove him down out throats. if hal jordan is batman, guy is the nightwing. kyle is the tim drake at best.

[Loki]

Thank you for making my point for me.

first of all, that whole warrior/alien/whatever-the-hell-that-was thing.... that was ridiculous....

of course kyle's done more in his time. he's had a solo title for the past 10 years. all guy was ever given in that time was one round of character assasination after another. if guy was given the respect over that time that he's finally getting now, you'd be singing a different tune. i'm not gonna let bad editorial decisions make me think any less of guy.

Your arguemnt is predicated on the fact that you think he's great while ignoring everything else that has been written. It is the equivalent of some of our sports thread discussions - "I think the Browns are the best NFL team this year! I refuse to acknoweldeg that they've only got a 1-5 record! I'm not going to let humiliating factual losses stand in the way of my subjective opinion!!!!!!!!!".

Guy has great POTENTIAL. And I agree that, if you're a Guy fan, he's been written like crap over the past 10 years or so. But that's all we have to go on. It's not about us as fans liking / disliking him. As I've stated, I enjoy this new tale on his character, as opposed to the other takes when I thought he was a jackass. Did they ruin his character previously? You can make that arguement. But the way he and Kyle have been written for the past 10 years makes Kyle out to be the better Green Lantern. Guy may eclipse him, someday, but not yet.

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guy has been written as a goofball, a prick, and a shapeshifting alien, but nothing has ever been written to portray that any of those things made him sub-par with his ring. no matter how serious people DIDN'T take him as a character, involving his attitude and personality, none of them ever indicated that he COULDN'T take kyle. and those few writers that do take him serriously i think make it pretty clear that he's second only to hal.

[Loki]

Maybe nothing has been written to make him sub par, but nothing has been written to make him seem like the greatest ever with the ring, either. Whereas Kyle has been shown, time and time again, to be either as good or better than Hal (depending on your POV).

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all kyle's good at is getting his girlfriends killed.

[Krydor]

Wait just a second, unless my tired old brain has muddled things up, there is a debate going on about a whole group of guys who are powerless against the colour yellow?

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that hasn't been true for like 15 years.

[Krydor]

So, what would the weakness of Mr. Lantern be?

[OpTard]

his own fear

[Krydor]

His weakness is fear? I'm thinking that's almost as bad as yellow.

[Deleted]

Well, in the old days, they DID refer to people who were scared as "yellow".

[salmonjunkie]

Matt Murdoch would make the best GL then, wouldn't he?

[Loki]

krydor said:

Wait just a second, unless my tired old brain has muddled things up, there is a debate going on about a whole group of guys who are powerless against the colour yellow?

You are such a loser. Don't wander into our geek thread and try to shame us into acting intelligent. If we want to debate issues like "which is less gay - The old Robin shorts and pixie boots or Nightwing's manly chest revealing outfit with the long ponytail?" we should be allowed to do that in here. This is, like, that guy's club where men go to get away from their wives. Except this is for us losers to congregate together and discuss completely inconsequential super hero issues.

Besides, you're just jealous. The only real superheros your country has is Alpha Flight. No wonder you're so bitter. ;D

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loki said:

krydor said:

Besides, you're just jealous. The only real superheros your country has is Alpha Flight. No wonder you're so bitter. ;D

yeah, and it's latest incarnation is gonna be filled predominantly by americans.

and an alian.

there's like one canadian in there. it's pathetic.

[The Canadian Content]

I'd rather have the alien than a Sasquatch and a Puck.

[Krydor]

Wolverine is Canadian. My mom thinks I'm cool.