[williamssl]

Don't know who you wanna vote for next? Got a strong opinion and want to influence the others before they can actually cast a vote?

The next round will be the #2s vs. the #7s.
Marvel #2 Wolverine vs. DC #7 Green Arrow

And the debate that was the genesis for this whole Superhero Showdown:
DC #2 Superman vs. Marvel #7 Thor

One more time to relive Psychofish going up against both Loki and Sergeial debating Thor's merits and whether Thor is just a blond gay copy of Superman. With a hammer.

Let the pre-vote smacking begin - meaning use this thread to talk up (or down) the next round of contestants.

[Batman]

I presume no-one's going to even bother talking up GA? I mean he's cool and all, but he's up against Wolverine. We can argue whether or not Wolvie's really iconic yet or not, but I think he's clearly the star of his generation of comic-book heroes.

[Lucky]

I'm TOTALLY voting GA. I love the guy. I know the fight is in vain though so I don't know if I'll put a fight up. Wolvie WAS cool. He's an overexposing boring character (IMO) now. But he's gonna murder Ollie, I know that.

I might abstain from Thor/Supes. I don't like either. I guess that makes me a swing vote.

[OpTard]

i think wolverine WAS an overexposing boring character, but i think they've really gotten a handle on him in the last couple of years. origins has been a great series, bendis has been playing him perfect for that situation in new avengers, whedon's been writing him spectacularly in astonishing, and wolvie's story has been arguably the best tie in book for civil war (it's sort of a coin toss between that and amazing spider-man). sure, you can say essentially having 4 titles he's still overexposed, but they're four GOOD titles. and that's pretty much it for him. he NOT guest starring in a different book every week. in fact, since he's been off on his own little mission, he hasn't even been a major part of civil war.

that being said, i also LOVE green arrow. though i hate judd winick. i've been reading GA since OYL and it's been alright. it's good enough that i've kept reading, but it's not GREAT. and it's a shame cuz ollie's a great fucking character. smith's run bringing him back was great, meltzer's short run after that was even better. but then winick came on and by his 4th issue i didn't even want to see the book and more and didn't touch it again till OYL. god i hate winick. WHY THE FUCK DOES SPEEDY HAVE TO HAVE AIDS??!?! just because winick was on stupid real world with stupid AIDS gay pedro, everytime he comes on a book and he has to make someone gay or give someone AIDS. IT'S NOT FUCKING SHOCKING ANYMORE!

i was leaning towards wolvie before, but i feel like ollie should get my vote since he's already getting fucked over enough by having such a douchey writer.

so i don't know anymore. feel free to fight, lucky. i'm on the fence.

[OpTard]

oh, and supes/thor.

if this was a "who would win," then i'd pick thor. i don't care what anyone says, he's a fucking god. he can beat up superman. but since this is "who's the greatest," well, he's fucking superman. he gets my vote till he's up against batman.

[Krydor]

I kinda tend to err on the side of people without powers. I like when a guy has to use his wits and skill. I'm torn on this one, as I don't know that much about Green Arrow and think Wolverine is cool. I would like to vote for the dude without powers, so convince me.

When it's two magical power dudes, and one is Superman, then the correct answer is Superman.

[Batman]

Man, OpTard, I thought you meant that Roy had AIDS (would make sense, since he had been addicted to heroin at one point) but after googling it, I realized you were talking about some new kid. I hadn't even been aware that GA had taken on a new "Speedy."

While checking into that, I also came across the fact that Roy's now going by "Red Arrow." Man, that's a better name than "Arsenal." (Or "Speedy," I suppose, but at least that has the advantage of being old school.)

I don't have a ton to say about these two match-ups, because (unlike DD v GL) I'm cool with it going with the higher seeds. Unless psychofish feels like getting into another Supe v Thor pissing contest, I think I'll save what I have to say about Superman and Wolvie for when they're up against tougher competition.

[Loki]

No way, hotshot. "Red Arrow" is a cheesy name compared to "Arsenal". Arsenal sounds bad ass. Red Arrow makes him sound like an Appache Porn Star.

[Batman]

I can completely see how "Arsenal" might seem badass to some. But to me... Well, remember this guy?



To me, "Arsenal" sounds like the sort of name they might have brainstormed and rejected for that lame-o before deciding on "Bloodsport."

[Loki]

You disappoint me, Serg. I was expecting you to make a riff on Appache Chief - pornstar to the Super Friends!

What was he doing with the Wonder Twins, anyway?

Dum-dum-dum-DUM!

[Batman]

Nah, I've pretty successfully blocked out whatever memories I ever had of superfriends. I had to wiki "Black Vulcan" earlier.

Speaking of which Black Vulcan's wiki page included this gem, from an appearance on Harvey Birdman:

Apparently he used to go by the name of Super Volt before Aquaman suggested his present name, to which Black Vulcan responds that maybe they should just call Aquaman "White Fish".

[williamssl]

For Loki:



And for Serg:

[salmonjunkie]

I hear "Arsenal", I think Nick Hornby's favorite soccer/fotoball team.

My votes are going to Wolvie and Supes. Hands down.

Also, Optard i correct about Wolvie's 4 books are all GOOD books. He was oveexposed, yes, and getting boring, until they released Origin a few years ago. Finally giving an official story as to where he came from, but doing it in a way that left it open for so much more... That was cool. And it wasn't how Logan became Wolverine, but how Logan became Logan. And to me the biggest thing that happened from House of M was Wolvie remembering his past. That was AWESOME. The editors finally letting him do that was a great thing for Wolvie fans. It opened up a whole slew of story-telling possibilites.

Also, the one issue of Wolvie in a Nazi interment camp was one of the best one-issue comic book stories I've read in the last 5 years.

[Lucky]

I should say, I liked Origins. And I dug the House of M thing. I even remember that nazi story. Its not that I don't like Wolvie, because of course I do. But I never much enjoyed his solo book and I just kind of got wiped on him and the X-Men in general.

And I just love Green Arrow. And he's relatively new to me. I only read the latest series a year or so ago and I just flew through. I love his extended family. I love his character. The only issue I have with him at all is that I can't think of one villain I really enjoy. But I just flew through that series (or up to whatever was most recent at the time) and then went back reading other stuff. Only series I read as quickly or was as into is JSA and Starman (that I remember). So I'll just be making sure Ollie doesn't get shut out.

[salmonjunkie]

fair enough. I like Ollie a whole lot, too. He's got no powers like Batman, but he's not an emofag like Bruce.

Still voting Logan when the time comes around, though.

[Loki]

luckylopez said:

The only issue I have with him at all is that I can't think of one villain I really enjoy.

You mean the Duke of Oil didn't scratch your bad guy itch? Blasphemy!

I can't decide what I think about that Onamonapeia (or however you spell it) guy that almost killed Conner. Interesting idea, but at the end he seemed like generic bad guy #5732. Plus, how did he survive that fall?

[Batman]

Constantine Drakon seemed pretty badass to me--kind of a Deathstroke rip, but there are worse things.

[Batman]

Oh, and Texas:

1: "Jesus Fucking Krypton" is my new #1 curse, thank you.

2: "Fish Cracker" is an even funnier than "White Fish." 'Cause it's sort of a pun.

[The Canadian Content]

Thor

I was really into mythology when I was a kid. For whatever reason, the Norse mythology was infinitely more interesting to me than Greek/Roman. I was reading mythology before I was reading comics, so Thor was a natural fit for me.

One of the things I always loved about the comics was that, even though Thor is a god and should be all-powerful, the writers always found believable ways to make him vulnerable. Whether it was magic from Loki or the Enchantress or a human he cared about being in trouble, they always managed to make it believable that he'd have a knock-down-drag-out fight with a guy like Mongoose.

Since this isn't a who'd beat who contest, I don't expect Thor to win this vote. He's far and away my #1 guy, but I grew up with him. I've never been a fan of Superman. I always saw him an an indestructible boy scout. Even his "death" felt contrived to me -- like it was done to placate people who thought he was unbeatable. I have no interest in a "perfect" hero, and it seems to me that Supes never makes mistakes.

[The Canadian Content]

And I'm all about Wolverine over GA.

[Deleted]

If we were basing this off of the Superman movies that have been made, my vote would definitely go to Thor because he is, afterall, a god.

But since I was a fan of Lois & Clark and also seeing how Smallville has moved up to my #3 show (behind LOST and Heroes), I'll be giving this one to Supes.

Also, I loved the "That's how he perceives US" diatribe by Bill in Kill Bill, Volume 2.

In a fight, though? Thor.