[williamssl]

Our superhero showdown is at its end. What's next, you ask? Why a supervillain showdown, of course. Time to crown the greatest supervillain EVER!

How will it work? Exactly like the superhero showdown did, only with villains instead of heroes. I'm too lazy to retype the rules - they're the exact same as what we just went through, just replace "heroes" with "villains" and we're set. Click HERE for the old rules.

OK I'll call out a few things, dammit:

Anyone can nominate. And anyone can vote. This is 100% open. If you don't nominate anyone, but want to vote, you can. And you can vote in only those contests you feel like voting in.

HOW DO WE GET STARTED?

You can nominate up to 8 villains from the DC family and up to 8 from Marvel. Rank order your nominations 1-8 for each of DC and Marvel.

Send me a Personal Message/U2U with your nominations by Sunday, December 3 7:00 p.m. Eastern.

I'll have things posted by Saturday, December 9th.

Let's get it on and have some fun!

[Batman]

I understand the concept of not biasing folks by seeing everybody's nomination ballots as they submit them, but is it OK to talk up personal faves with some "for your consideration" posts?

[williamssl]

Hell yeah - go for it.

That kind of stuff will help folks like me who may be struggling to come up with a solid 8 on one of the sides.

[Deleted]

Well on the Marvel side, be sure to keep in mind that while they have more recently been portrayed as faces, Magneto and Venom are two of the most bad-ass heels ever.

[OpTard]

gatorbait said:

Well on the Marvel side, be sure to keep in mind that while they have more recently been portrayed as faces, Magneto and Venom are two of the most bad-ass heels ever.

you are so lucky this was posted before i made my post in the "was there any doubt batman would win" thread. to reiterate, in case you miss that, anyone using wrestling terms when not talking about wrestling is being banned for a week.

[The Canadian Content]

I've never been a Magneto fan. Not that I've ever really been into the X-franchise, but I never really saw him as all that powerful. I get that he's a megalomaniac and all, but dude's a giant magnet. Not cool.

[Batman]

All right, for your consideration:

Nemesis Kid: A bad-guy with one of the greatest super-powers ever--the power to always have the counter to the powers of anyone he fights. One of Jim Shooter's coolest creations, back when he was the boy genius of the Legion. Years later, he murdered one of Shooter's other great creations, Karate Kid.



Trickster: James Jesse is one of the coolest of all supervillains: an acrobat, a con artist, and a thrill addict. He has always been in the game mainly for the sake of the thrill and fun of the game itself rather than any real end.



Silencer

This bad-guy only appeared once, so this is a pretty hard sell, but he was just so cool. It's a travesty no one at Marvel has ever revived him. His power is very simple--he can deaden all sound in his vicinity. I know that doesn't sound very useful--but think of its utility to a deadly assassin. The silence made for very creepy stalking scenes and dramatic fight scenes. Also, he looked really cool:



OK, a couple more that most of you are probably familiar with and don't need any hard sell, but might be forgotten by accident, so a couple of reminders:

Ra's al Ghul: An obvious one, but I almost forgot him.
Deathstroke: A bad guy with all of Batman's resourcefulness--one of the scariest things imaginable.
Bullseye: He never misses...
Terra: Her betrayal of the Titans was a huge shocker when I was a kid.

It's funny, there are several DC villains I love that I just couldn't fit. I had the same problem with the Marvel heroes. A couple of faves I wasn't able to fit on my ballot, but maybe they'll fit on yours:

Deadshot: His picture is by the entry for "cold-blooded" in the DC universe.
Mr. Freeze: His characterization in the Batman animated series is one of the most subtle and nuanced villains ever.

[Deleted]

No, this is NOT a serious suggestion, but this guy's motivation for becoming a villain is priceless. Only from the pages of Slapstick!

www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/overkillermm.htm

The man who would become Overkiller was watching Wheel of Fortune when it was interrupted by a news report about an X-Men mission in Dallas. Never seeing the end of that episode, the man became Overkiller: Mutant Murderizer in the hopes of killing mutants as revenge.

[salmonjunkie]

It is a LOT easier to come up with 8 for Marvel than it is for DC. Hell, I'm having problems picking only 8 from Marvel, whereas 8 from DC... I know more than 8, but there's not a whole lot of villains I'd consider "great".

Magneto will win this whole thing anyway.

[The Canadian Content]

I agree with the fact that Marvel was easier to do than DC. I came up with 15 Marvel guys without thinking too hard, and I only got 9 DC guys after a lot of thought.

I disagree, however, that Magneto will win. It's Doctor Doom all the way.

[OpTard]

i don't know, man. luthor or darkseid might be able to give mr. lehnsherr a run for his money

[The Canadian Content]

Darkseid? Seriously? Are you sure you didn't mean Mr. Mxyzptlk?

[salmonjunkie]

Luthor maybe. The Joker maybe. Dr. Doom maybe. But no way Darkseid.

[Batman]

I'm with thorfag, Doom's the smart bet. Or maybe Joker. I bet that'll be the finals. Magneto or Luthor might make semi-finals but I don't see them getting any farther than that. Darkseid--no way.

[The Canadian Content]

I can totally see Joker/Luthor being a semifinal. That'd be a great matchup. I'm not even sure Magneto will make the semis, though. I guess it'll all depend on who winds up where in the initial rankings.

[OpTard]

all this lack of love for darkseid is baffling.

there's a reason timm and crew chose darkseid as their big finish for the JLU series......

BECAUSE HE'S AWESOME!!!

[National Champion Chris Cole]

I has trouble with both brands. 7 of my 8 DC choices were Batman villians. I think 4 or 5 on Marvel side were Spiderman villians.

[Loki]

Is everyone having a tough time coming up with villains, or a tough time narrowing down the list? There are so many more villains than heroes, I was wondering if we should make this a top 16 instead of a top 8. Marvel, for example, has the Green Goblin, the Hobgoblin (the 80s version, back when he was really evil) and Venom. All three of these are Spidey villains. Throw in Doom, Kingpin and Bullseye and you've got six already, and that's not even scratching the surface of Marvel baddies.

The downside to that, though, would be that so many of the villains are lame. Somehow, I I don't think The Duke of Oil, Firefly, The Fabulous Frog Man or The White Rabbit are going to be making anyone's list.

I don't know - just thinking out loud.

I gotta second Deathstroke. He was the first one I though of when this contest was announced. Nemesis Kid was a good one, too.

[Deleted]

Dont worry, everybody, I did NOT nominate SuperPro's nemesis "Quick Kick".

[williamssl]

Loki - got to keep it top 8 on both sides. Administering beyond that is gonna be a PITA, plus there are several folks who are struggling to come up with 8. 8 sufficiently gets us to the "best of the best" across everyone's votes. I know you were just thinking out loud and there are probably others who share your thoughts but didn't want to let this open to debate.

Now with respect to the obscure folks, I'd bet Ryan submits nothing but that given what he did on the Heroes side....(Ok they weren't all obscure but he stayed away from the more mainstream folks).

And everybody - reminder on getting nominations in! I've gotten 6 so far.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Wow. 16 would be way too much for me to handle. I might have to vote between villians I've never heard of.

So Tex, were my nominations really pathetic? You can tell me, it won't hurt my feelings.

[BTR]

Wow. If you take away the Batman villains, I don't know anything about DC. Marvel, though, I had to do some wittling.

[Ryan Who Loves Punk]

I'm pretty sure the silencer first appeared in the pages of the Avengers. By which I mean I have a old Avengers issue with him in it.

MODIFY: This probably won't end up mattering, but would Batman Beyond villains count? It's a TV show, but I really like some of them.

[williamssl]

Kid - I'm in no position to judge anyone's entries. I'm a 3 or 4 on the dork scale and will be struggling myself to come up with 8 on the DC side that weren't in any of the Batman movies and/or in the Hall of Doom. Bizarro rules!!!

[Batman]

OpTard: Yeah, I like Darkseid, but I can't see him making finals. Also, the last season of JLU just wasn't quite as awesome as the previous season. The penultimate season of both JLU and Toon Titans were some of the best stuff I've ever seen, though, so they would have been tough to top.

Ryan: I'd be very surprised if we were referring to the same villain. Pleasantly surprised, though. Any chance you could look through your Avengers and try and find him? The guy who made this profile of Silencer has some pretty detailed knowledge of obsure chararacters, and would probably also appreciate a correction if the character did not in fact only appear in one issue of Hawkeye. At the bottom of the profile there are a whole bunch of "not to be confused with"s that may explain the discrepancy. None of which I've ever heard of, by the way, which at least proves that I'm not the geekiest man on the planet. I've got nothin' on this "Snood" character.