[williamssl]

[glow=red,2,300]THIS POLL IS NOT YET OPEN - IT WILL OPEN THE EVENING OF WED, DEC 13. USE THIS THREAD NOW TO CONVINCE YOUR FELLOW PUNSTERS WHO THEY SHOULD VOTE FOR[/glow]

Our next batch to crown the "winner of the losers" features DC's #9 Doomsday, who just missed out on making the finals, and Marvel's #12 Carnage.

The murderer (kind-of) of Superman vs. one of Spidey's deadliest and craziest foes.

Their wiki's:

Doomsday

Carnage


A few things:

• You're voting for who you think is the greatest supervillain, or the greater of the two. It's not about who could beat the other up.
  
• You can only vote once.
  
• The poll will open Wednesday evening, December 13 and close at 2 pm Eastern on Sun, November, er make that Dec 17, so have your vote in by then for it to count.
  

[The Canadian Content]

I honestly don't give a shit about either of these guys. I'm currently leaning towards Doomsday because he killed Superman once and, well, fuck Superman.

Anyone wanna sway me?

[williamssl]

Careful - Ryan's gonna interpret that as something different (and wrong) and make amorous advances towards you.

[Loki]

When you read this under the "10 most recent posts" view it looks like this:

Tex - Careful - Ryan's gonna interpret that as something different (and wrong) and make amorous advances towards you.

Gay4Thor (from a completely different thread) - Uh, yeah! He's a real asshole!

[Batman]

Who cares? They both suck.

(I mean Carnage and Doomsday, not thorfag and ryan--though I wouldn't doubt it.)

[Deleted]

Carnage just looks cooler and is a pure 100% psychopath underneath.

Doomsday looks like an old man.

[The Canadian Content]

But isn't carnage just a smaller, crazier Venom?

[Deleted]

Pics for proof that Carnage looks bad-ass (especially when drawn by Bagley):

[The Canadian Content]

I know what he looks like, but, again, isn't he just a smaller, crazier Venom?

[Deleted]

Yes, but FAR crazier. I mean FAR FAR FAR crazier. 100% bona fide psychopath on the level Joker could only wish to be. And his symbiote can actually detatch parts of itself to become projectiles whereas Venom was limited to extended attachment.

What exactly does Doomsday bring to the table?

[The Canadian Content]

Well, he killed Superman, so he's got that going for him. Also, I feel bad for the guy because he seems to have a nasty case of bone-spurs. Even one of those is really painful. No wonder he looks so mad.

[Deleted]

Yes, but how long did the Superman death actually last? Carnage has killed many, many, many people and has enjoyed every minute of it. AND they stay dead, too.

[The Canadian Content]

Did he ever kill anyone that mattered, or just innocent nobodies?

[Deleted]

All innocent nobodies. People who could not defend themselves.

Just like Joker.

[Loki]

Yeah, but you're (willfully, I assume) missing G4T's point. Doomsday killed Superman. Superman. You know, the icon of the DC Universe? The greatest hero alive? (Almost) invincible alien from another planet?

Besides, Doomsday didn't need to "enjoy" beating the tar out of Superman. He gave the occasional evil chuckle, which can be just as scary as Carnage's psycho reactions.

[Deleted]

Yes, but how villainous is that, really? The guy's sole point for villainy is trying to kill one hero. He had no other villainous motivations.

Carnage is a scourge to the general population.

[williamssl]

gatorbait said:

All innocent nobodies. People who could not defend themselves.

Just like Joker.

Hey - didn't Joker do some damage to folks who were more than innocent nobodies? Barbara Gordon. A non-Dick Grayson Robin.

[Lucky]

Yeah. Killing a Robin, crippling Batgirl, Commisioner Gordon's wife, Alexander Luthor. Joker's never killed anyone significant.

Carnage is a tool. Too bad Doomsday is too. Someone give me any reason in the world to give a shit about either one of them. Please. Because right now I'm debating the fact that I REALLY enjoyed the Maximum Carnage video game vs the fact that I REALLY hated reading the Maximum Carnage comics. Doomsday just gave me nothing.

[Deleted]

See, I was the opposite, there. LOVED the Maximum Carnage series in the comics but couldn't stand the game.

Chalk it all up to personal preference, then. My "Carnage Love" probably stems from me being a huge Spidey fan, so I can't say I'm arguing without any bias.

[Lucky]

I thought the game was a fine, classic Double Dragon type. Back and forth, up and down fighting game with items to capture and bosses to beat. Those bosses happened to be comic super villains I knew. And I had the choice of playing with Spidey or Venom. And I encountered and was able to get assists from any number of heroes during the game. Worked for me. Probably doesn't hold up that well in the end but my video game tastes have always been very simple (Zelda love aside). Maximum Carnage met them.

The comic crossover did nothing for me. In a video game I was just excited to see all these heroes. In the comic I realized how utterly dull and shitty it was to team Spidey up with Deathlok, Cloak & Dagger, Morbius, and Firestar to battle Shriek, Demogoblin, Spidey's Infinity War Evil Twin, and some demon I never heard of and still can't remember what he did. And it took 14 parts to do. It was just such a waste of time of C level heroes vs C level villains in a period where there were so many crossovers that you had to be able to find something different. IMO it was crappy heroes vs crappy villains in a pretty basic story by a fairly generic villain. God that one was a shitty buy.

I basically read it because it had a bunch of heroes and I was a sucker for that gimmick. Plus it had Firestar and I was a New Warriors fan. There was another Spidey "crossover" that I read at the time because I just to when Nova and Night Trasher were in it. Nova/Thrasher/Punisher/Moon Knight/Darkhawk > Cap/Deathlock/Cloak&Dagger/Morbius/Firestar/IronFist/Black Cat. Although Iron Fist and Cat did bring up the odds and Cap gets points just for being Cap. Still too many crappy anchors.

I found my red Max Carnage cartridge the other day and was thinking of hooking the N64 up. Guess I might have to now. I'm was a stupid teenager too and I think making the cartridge red scored points with me. It was different. Then again I can't remember what that black cartridge I had that was just a God awful Mortal Kombat-esque fighting game. Colored cardridge didn't save that.

EDIT: But yeah, the series probably carried a lot more weight with you since you were a Spidey fan and a Carnage fan. I was neither. I only bought Spidey when a cover intrigued me or a crossover demanded it. But I'm surprised the game didn't appeal more to you given the Spidey/Venom thing.

[salmonjunkie]

Both of these guys suck. When The Sentry tore Carnage in half and hurled him into space in New Avengers #2, I was very happy.

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luckylopez said:

I basically read it because it had a bunch of heroes and I was a sucker for that gimmick. Plus it had Firestar and I was a New Warriors fan. There was another Spidey "crossover" that I read at the time because I just to when Nova and Night Trasher were in it. Nova/Thrasher/Punisher/Moon Knight/Darkhawk > Cap/Deathlock/Cloak&Dagger/Morbius/Firestar/IronFist/Black Cat. Although Iron Fist and Cat did bring up the odds and Cap gets points just for being Cap. Still too many crappy anchors.

Round Robin: The Sidekick's Revenge. Got 'em all. Started my love for Darkhawk, too.

[williamssl]

Cast them votes!

[OpTard]

ugh. i can't believe either of these guys made it.

i'll vote for carnage. i loved him when i was 13. hated him by the time i was 14. but still loved him when i was 13. which is more than i can say for doomsday.




...and thanos didn't make it. you people stink.

[The Canadian Content]

I had to go Doomsday. He killed Superman, whereas Carnage did not. Advantage Doomsday.