[williamssl]

Well, the top 4 seeds once again made the semifinals. We already had Joker/Magneto.

Our other semifinal matchup has Marvel's #1 Dr. Doom going against DC's #2 Lex Luthor.

Their wiki's:

Lex Luthor

Dr. Doom


A few things:

• You're voting for who you think is the greatest supervillain, or the greater of the two. It's not about who could beat the other up.
  
• You can only vote once.
  
• The poll will open Sat, Jan 13 and close at 9 pm Eastern on Wed, Jan 17, so have your vote in by then for it to count.
  

[The Canadian Content]

Joker, Magneto, Doom, and Luthor is a pretty impressive final four.

Bats and Supes are obviously the hero counterparts to Joker and Luthor, but which single heroes are on the Marvel side? I guess Professor X for Magneto and Mr. Fantastic for Doom?

Oh, and by the way, vote Doom.

[The Canadian Content]

Has anyone else noticed that there's a colour theme going on in each semifinal bracket?

[williamssl]

They're all Caucasians. That racist OpTard couldn't be happier.

[salmonjunkie]

That's how badass Mags and Doom are. Their respective rivals can't fight them themselves. They need teams.

Vote Doom.

[The Canadian Content]

williamssl said:

They're all Caucasians. That racist OpTard couldn't be happier.

Uh, not quite what I had in mind, but an exalt anyway for inducing a snicker.

[Batman]

I would say that it breaks down to something Lucky said long ago about how Marvel is better at teams and DC at solo heroes. Which makes it unsurprising that the supervillain final four turned out to be the arch-enemies of DC's top two heroes and Marvel's top two teams.

[The Canadian Content]

I like Sal's idea -- it takes 4 people to stop Doom on a regular basis (20+ people in MUA), while Luthor is consistently stopped by Superman alone. While that can make Luthor look pretty powerful, I prefer to see it as making Supes look weak because, well, fuck Superman!

[Batman]

I think the similarities in these characters' origins is striking. They both turned on a former friend because they unjustly blamed their now-archenemy for a scientific experiment going wrong and disfiguring them in some way.

I really love both of these characters, so I'm really torn. Luthor has more depth when he's done well, but he's done well so rarely.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

In all fairness doesn't Magneto surround himself with a team most of time? He did in the Movie Trilogy anyway.

[Batman]

Yes, The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. I've always wondered: why would they choose that name for themselves?

But this thread is about Doom, not Magneto.

Doom doesn't play well with others. If he wants help, he usually builds a robot.

[OpTard]

well once people realized what a gay name that was, they pretty much just started referring to them as just the brotherhood of mutants

[salmonjunkie]

It took a couple decades, didn't they? They stopped being "Evil Mutants" in what, 1990?

[Lucky]

Magneto called them evil in the beginning because his origins and motivations hadn't been all that well defined. Didn't he all but abandon them 40 years ago? Plus Magneto was much more evily motivated back then, using his children as pawns. As the X-Men matured he did too and that's when all the kick ass came.

In the comics I don't think Magneto has led a group in decades, has he? He had the Accolytes but they sought him out. And he had as many moments where he wished to reject them as he did where he wanted to use them. I'm sure he's used people at other times in the past but the Brotherhood was led by Mystique and then Toad, right? No Magneto involvement. And I can't recall any big storylines where he drew people into him. The movies' interpretation regardless.

Plus, I think Magneto and Mystique originally had some kind of "the world thinks we're evil so just call ourselves that" motivation they claimed. Its not like it was unique. The Avengers had the Masters of Evil. Legion of Doom. Secret Society of Super-Villains (now how stupid of a name is that?). Comics are hokey.

[williamssl]

This poll is now open!

[salmonjunkie]

Magneto in Grant Morrisson's run of New X-Men did have a group. They retconned it to be Xorn, but whatever, it's Magneto for the purpose of the story. It was a group of young mutants that he taught under the guise of Xorn, who taught a class at Xavier's. The young mutants were all outcasts in some weird way, and they were kids. Toad was brought in after Xorn revealed himself to be Mags. I don't think they called themselves the Brotherhood, though


Toad also led the Brotherhood once in the early 90s. I think they still called themselves Evil at that time, too. One that featured Blob, Pyro, and Sauron. Although Sauron is NOT A MUTANT.

[Lucky]

True. Forgot about that. But does leading a giant chicken, a trash pregnant moth, and a whored up teenage psychic REALLY count? He was just sort of manipulating them into starting the revolution and juicing up his powers. Much like Cortez. Its not like he was counting on them to back him up against the X-Men. In the end it was still Magneto vs the X-Men, not Magneto & his weird teenage motley crue vs the X-Men. They were tools to lead to his position. Like Luthor employs scientists and lawyers and business folk.

Granted the Brotherhood were just tools of Magneto too but there were a much more direct form then that got sent right up against the X-Men.

That's another thing. When Magneto or a lot of other villains put together teams a lot of time they're a first wave against the heroes. In the final book of the story it usually it ends up being that one main villain vs a contingent of heroes. The B-listers get beat and then the real bad guy is waiting for a fight.


EDIT: I forgot about this poll. I have no idea who I'm voting for. My knee jerk vote would be for Doom as I've always been a FF fan and never been a Superman fan. And I haven't voted for Luthor once in this tournament. But in the last couple of weeks I've been watching the first couple of seasons of Smallville and damned if that's not one kick ass Luthor!

And then I realized that I loved the Villains United Luthor majorly when I was reading Crisis. And as luck would have it I just finished reading that a couple of week ago. So while historically I never liked Luthor I've now seen 2 versions I loved very recently. So now I'm torn.

[The Canadian Content]

Don't be torn. Vote Doom.

[Chris Eco]

I like the Lex Luthor President Arc, and I really like the Smallville Luthor as well (and Kevin Spacey's Luthor, but I might not get a lot of support on that.)

Doom doesn't do anything for me. Maybe it's his goofy name, or just some of the FF story arcs, or the time he kidnapped William Shakespeare in 1602.

I can't really justify it well, but I'm voting Luthor. I wish it was Luthor/Magneto to end it.

[The Canadian Content]

Okay, everyone who's been holding their Doom votes back for a last-minute win, now's the time.

[Courtney]

I voted Luthor and I'll tell you why: Michael Rosenbaum=yummy! Aren't you Doom fans glad I vote in this thing? Actually, Julian McMahon is pretty damn good looking too...oh well, I already voted.

[The Canadian Content]

courtney said:

I voted Luthor and I'll tell you why: Michael Rosenbaum=yummy! Aren't you Doom fans glad I vote in this thing? Actually, Julian McMahon is pretty damn good looking too...oh well, I already voted.

This is why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.






;D

[Lucky]

I voted Doom to try and counter Courtney's horrid voting criteria.

[salmonjunkie]

Come on, guys! One more vote for Doom! If Magneto isn't going to win it, then Doom better!

[williamssl]

We've got 1 day left and 1 vote separating these two.

Here's who's voted so far:
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DevilSoprano
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