[salmonjunkie]

Right now, I have no idea how this is gonna finish. I don't even have any speculations. It's a good thing, really. But I gotta wonder -

How do you rehabilitate Tony Stark after all this? Does he become a 'villain'? An outcasted hero?

And another question... After it was established that House of M was all Quicksilver's fault, he went and got those terrigen mists and went a little crazy. Now he's giving people powers and fucking them up. He's not being malicious, he just wants to give the deactivated mutants their powers back, despite the fact that it fucks that ex-mutant up a bit. He's certainly not a hero anymore, but do you think we'll see him as the next major villain of the Marvel Universe? I'd like to see that, but for some reason, I don't think a lot of writers would be interested in writing that story.

We saw him pop up in X-Factor, and he was persona-non-grata to those guys, too. He definitely seemed a little nutty in his appearance.

So yeah, what do you all think, fellow nerds?

[OpTard]

well i know the next big story is gonna be hulk's return to earth (which will be called "world war hulk"). so my guess is that however civil war ends (i personally think the pro reg side wins, at least to some effect. i don't know if all the renegade heroes will stay imprisoned, but i think the regisration act in some form will remain), then they'll spend the next few months establishing the new world order, then move right into WWH. i mean, considering that CW ends in february (or late january, i forget), then you figure they'll go 4 or 5 months establishing the post-CW world, then WWH will probably be 6 or 7 issues , i'd say we're booked up through all of next year.

as far as quicksilver is concerned, i think he's he's gonna be a major player in the upcoming "silent war" series, which will follow up on blackbolt's declaring war on the US at the end of son of M. i also think we'll continue to see quicksilver in x-factor.

[salmonjunkie]

Silent War? I didn't hear about this one. I'm glad to see in the latest New Avengers that they remembered Blackbolt declaring war on the US.

When is that going on? Before or after World War Hulk?

[Pun]

See, this is why I got out of reading comics. When they cross over EVERY frickin' title, I just can't keep up.

[OpTard]

silent war starts in january. which is not a crossover, by the way. just a mini.

as far as crossovers go, i think their overbearingness is a little blown out of proportion. people who are turned off by crossovers cuz they don't want to read every title need to realize they don't have to read every title.

take civil war, a HUGE crossover, for example. if you're interested in civil war, but don't want to read every other marvel title, then just don't. just read the main civil war book. it's got everything you need. and on the other hand, if you want to read, say, captain america every month, but aren't reading civil war, you don't have to worry about not knowing whats happening in the civil war tie-in issues of captain america. anything important to civil war that you would need to know would be explained in the book, and the book for the most part would feel like any other issue.

the need to "keep up" really just isn't there. sure, if you're reading civil war then reading the tie-ins adds something to the story, but they're not necessary to the story.

take spider-man for example. spider-man recently switched sides in the war. now, reading amazing spider-man really gives you a much much greater understanding of what went behind spidey's switch, but not reading amazing doesn't make his switch seems out of place. the information given in civil war proper is enough to make the switch seem logical and natural. amazing just tells you MORE about, if you're interested.

the long and the short of it is just read what you want. don't let crossovers or tie-ins make your decisions as to what you read. you'll be able to understand it anyway.

speaking of which, a new punisher series starts this week. they're restarting the "punisher war journal" series. the first 3 issues are civil war tie-ins. if you like punisher, but aren't reading civil war, don't be afraid to pick up the book. it's a number 1 issue. you'll be able to follow it fine.

[salmonjunkie]

Same for House of M. That was a mini as well, and the books that crossed over (and not all the X-titles crossed over) were also optional reads.

This wasn't like the 90s where you were forced to buy X-Men, Uncanny, X-Force, and X-Factor to get the whole story.

Oh wait, they DID do that with the Spider-Man series last year with The Other...

[The Canadian Content]

That's the same reason I got out of comics in the mid-90s. At that point there were a lot of crossovers that you really couldn't follow without buying all the issues involved. The 2099s were particularly bad for that.

As for CW, I was really impressed with the ending of #5. I was disappointed at first to see DD caught, as they didn't show him being caught, so it seemed too easy. Thinking back on it, though, I'm pretty sure he got caught intentionally, which should make for some kick-ass jailbreak stuff to come.

I've got a feeling that Hulk's return will bring an end to CW, just as his banishment started it. I'm thinking along the lines of heroes reunited to stop Hulk in the end. Of course, een the united heroes will fail to stop him until real Thor shows up to smite the bejeesus out of him.

As far as Iron Man goes, I don't think it'll take too much to redeem him. SHIELD attacking Spidey in CW #5 looked like the beginning of doubt for Tony. I think he'll do the right thing in the end and turn on the government side. I'd be very much surprised if he didn't wind up coming out of this looking pretty good.

[OpTard]

considering that the "planet hulk" story doesn't end till april, and civil war ends in february (and that's only due to lateness. civil war was originally scheduled to end in november), i think it's safe to say that hulk will have nothing to do with the end of civil war.

[Ryan Who Loves Punk]

Yeah, this was what got me out of comics originally. But it sounds like they're becoming easier to follow now. I'm back on the comic book gravy train!

The Ultimate gravy train, that is. I likes me my remastered superheroes.

[nOOb]

And that's why I get my Comic Book knowledge from Wikipedia and other comic sites (I've read two comics in my whole life: a Marvel vs. DC book where Thor beats up on Captain Marvel and the middle book of DC's Kingdom Come series). Who needs to buy a bunch of books to keep up when someone smarter can do all the work for you?