[Chris Eco]

(16) Glitter



[after seeing Sylk's lip synched performance which featured Billie's voice]
Dice: Man, Sylk. That was amazing.
Sylk: Really? Did you like it?
Dice: I had no idea you could blow like that.
[Sylk puts her arms around Dice]
Sylk: [suggestively] I didn't know you were so interested in how good I could blow.

vs.

(17) Fahrenheit 9/11



Michael Moore: As the minutes went by, George Bush continued to sit in the classroom. Was he thinking, "I've been hanging out with the wrong crowd. Which one of them screwed me? Was it the man my daddy's friends delivered a lot of weapons to? Was it that group of religious fundamentalists who visited my state when I was governor? Or was it the Saudis? Damn, it was them." [an image of Hussein appears onscreen] "I think I better blame it on this guy."

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Ddn't see either but I hate Michael Moore and this movie made a bunch of left wing nutjobs think they knew more then they did. Fuck Michael Moore.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

metallikid said:

Fuck Michael Moore.

Quoted for fuckin truth. It's pretty sad that Bush is made out to be worse than the terrorists. Politics aside, that's irresponsible journalism if you want to call Moore a journalist.

[Lucky]

He's not. He's a filmmaker. He's an editorialist at best.

Meh. Moore is Moore. I knew it would biased and intellectually dishonest going in. I also figured it would be well done since he's a talented director. Right on both counts. Did nothing for me but didn't inspire any hate. Sure, I hate crazies who base their knowledge off of bad sources and get a false sense of importance. But they would have gotten it somewhere.

Glitter was an actual bad movie. No moral or intellectual principles there.

[williamssl]

The only redeeming part of Fatty McFuck's "film" is it and his subsequent lunacy inspired the excellent portrayal of him in Team America. Alas, that is not enough to credit 9/11 and prevent it from advancing in the tourney.

Also and out of curiousity, we were supposed to be nominating films we had actually watched. So who nominated Glitter and are the same people voting for it?

[Lucky]

I already confessed to watching it. I could say that I used to love Mariah when I was younger. I could point out that that was right after her Butterfly insanely hot hip hop conversion before she got all full fledged crazy and started to look a little older. But really, I just watch a LOT of movies. And in my defense there was a girl present when I watched that.

[Krydor]

Moore is Moore, and he gets my vote. Besides, I cannot comment on Glitter, for I am not a teenage girl nor a homosexual therefore not in the target demographic for this film.

[Chris Eco]

williamssl said:

Also and out of curiousity, we were supposed to be nominating films we had actually watched. So who nominated Glitter and are the same people voting for it?

For the record, everyone can vote on everything. I'm sure the Worst Movie category contains a lot of films not many people saw. Maybe I'll fish up some youtube for next round.

Non sequitir: I had an ex-girlfriend who asked me for a Glitter CD for Christmas. She turned out to be crazy herself.

[williamssl]

I wasn't at all suggesting anyone could only vote in instances where they've seen the movie(s). I'm just really curious in ths matchup:

You have a movie (Glitter) that is pretty much regarded by critics as a bad bad movie. And box office receipts support that notion, which means a lot of people didn't see it (or didn't pay to see it).

On the other hand, you have a politically polarizing movie. Folks on the right hate it in part because of the message but probably more so for the general approach (Moore's in-your-face I'm aggressively pushing my agenda/view as opposed to his "softer" approach employed in films prior and after this one).

I'm just trying to get a sense of:

Are the Glitter votes truly "Man I saw that and it sucked" or are they "Go Michael Moore - stick it to BUSHITLER!!!!!"

And are the 9/11 votes truly "Man that was a bad movie" (which it was), or are they "Fuck Michael Moore I hate him" votes.

ecosystem said:

Non sequitir: I had an ex-girlfriend who asked me for a Glitter CD for Christmas. She turned out to be crazy herself.

Yes - you should stop dating Lucky. Let that be a lesson to you.

[Batman]

My only problem with Fahrenheit was I thought it pulled its punches. I had the impression he was actually going to show the full five minutes of W sitting in kindergarten and let the audience squirm uncomfortably and wait for it to be over. That would have been awesome, and I was disappointed not to get it. Other than that, I thought it was fine.

I find the idea that Moore is somehow obligated to tell both sides of the story ludicrous. He's a political agitator, not a journalist.

[creepy]

luckylopez said:

He's not. He's a filmmaker. He's an editorialist at best.

Meh. Moore is Moore. I knew it would biased and intellectually dishonest going in. I also figured it would be well done since he's a talented director. Right on both counts. Did nothing for me but didn't inspire any hate. Sure, I hate crazies who base their knowledge off of bad sources and get a false sense of importance. But they would have gotten it somewhere.

Exactly! Exactly!

luckylopez said:

And in my defense there was a girl present when I watched that.

Moms don't count.

krydor said:

Moore is Moore, and he gets my vote. Besides, I cannot comment on Glitter, for I am not a teenage girl nor a homosexual therefore not in the target demographic for this film.

Same here.

sergeial said:

I find the idea that Moore is somehow obligated to tell both sides of the story ludicrous. He's a political agitator, not a journalist.

Exactly. I might not always agree with the dude, but I enjoy his style.

[punk/core]

I just always follow this simple rule-- whatever the conservatives are voting for, I'll vote the opposite.

[williamssl]

Breaking news: Conservatives LOVE the Dodgers. And gay mexicans. OK just the Dodgers.

[Krydor]

Moore isn't required to tell both sides of the story. He is required to make sure that his movies aren't full of shady edits and have information from the infowars website. In other words, his side of the story can't be 80% speculative bullshit and 20% accurate.

[Stu]

I've only seen Fahrenheit, but I can't help believe Glitter would be the worser movie.
Though, when I watched Fahrenheit (just the once, mind) I couldn't help think that the "understaffed state trooper" looked an awfull lot like the guy from Bowling for Columbine who said he was arrested for owning a book on how to make bombs...

[Lori]

I haven't even seen Glitter, but anything with Mariah Carey as the star can NOT be good.

[Chris Eco]

Impressive submission on Mr. Moore's part, but Mariah takes it and moves on to face Batman and Robin!