[Lucky]

Proposal A

• 5 Keepers total.
  
• Noone drafted from Rounds 1-5 can be kept.
  
• Each Keeper costs a draft pick 2 rounds higher than where they were selected (Drafted in the 15th, lose a 13th).
  
• 1 of 5 Keepers may be Franchised (F1) indefinitely to be kept without any loss of draft picks. There is no limit on how many seasons he may keep that tag.
  
• 1 of 5 Keepers may be given a second Franchise tag (F2). He will cost a draft pick only 1 round higher than where he was selected. There is no limit on how many seasons he may keep that tag (as long as there are rounds left).
  
• A player loses keeper elligibility by (a) costing a 1st Rd pick the year before or (b) having a Franchise tag taken off of him.

Proposal B

• 5 Keepers total.
  
• Noone drafted from Rounds 1-5 can be kept.
  
• Each Keeper costs a draft pick 2 rounds higher than where they were selected (Drafted in the 15th, lose a 13th).
  
• 1 of 5 Keepers may be Franchised (F1) indefinitely to be kept without any loss of draft picks. There is no limit on how many seasons he may keep that tag.
  
• A player loses keeper elligibility by (a) costing a 1st Rd pick the year before or (b) having a Franchise tag taken off of him.

NEITHER of these will apply to your 2007 keepers. Any system we agree to will start after this season. So don't worry about your keepers suddenly costing you something you didn't think they would.

So vote. PLEASE vote. I'm going to send each of you an individual PM. If I see you've read it but haven't voted here I'm gonna presume you're abstaining and have no complaints. But I rather have everyone happy and cool with what we're doing.

And if you vote for neither Proposal, do us a favor and speak your peace. Like I said, I'd like us all to be happy with what we decide. If we have an untenable position we'll deal with that but if there's a problem we can solve we should solve it.

Whatever happens I think we all want this settled so we never have to discuss this again.

If this confuses you you can go and read the "proposal" thread to see discussion. You can ask a question right here. You can also PM or IM me (at LuckyLopes) and I'll try and explain it to you.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

Tied at 2... this should be interesting.

Or not... Moose you jerk.

[Lucky]

That looks like a decision. Are the 3 guys who voted for Proposal A cool with Proposal B? I know I am. I THINK Solly and Dev were the other 2 voters. Any objections to just tossing the F2 thing?

And GM and Army can still feel free to weigh in here. Proposal B has clearly won but if you don't like it speak up as to what your objections are.

[DevSop]

I don't like it alot, but I'm willing to concede the point. It just doesn't feel like that much of a keeper league when a majority of the roster will change each year. Keeping 1 guy as a foundation just doesn't seem like enough, but I knew this was a losing debate.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

What Soprano said... I'd rather have 2 for a foundation but I won't rock the boat. Option B is fine.

[Jack Quinn]

You know after Lucky posted that awesom list of what your keepers will cost you, I think I am more inclined to change my vote to the 2 franchise players

[Mikey]

I voted for B because we still got the existing keeper pool to hold onto at a cost of two rounds per keeper. But again, it don't really matter to me. If Moose will change his pick, I'll change mine, too.

[Sparty]

Maybe I'm just stupid, but I don't get this:

A player loses keeper elligibility by (a) costing a 1st Rd pick the year before

[Lucky]

Each year the keeper costs you 2 rounds higher. So you basically keep him until you run out of rounds.

Say your keeper was drafted in the 8th round.

Year 1: 6th
Y2: 4th
Y3: 2nd
Y4: 1st (since that's as far as it can go).

Then the next year the only way he could be kept would be if you "Franchised" him. Otherwise he gets released and noone can grab him until the draft.

Clear?

[Sparty]

Yes!

Thanks.

[Lucky]

No prob.

Moose, Mike... were those serious desires to switch your votes? If so it would make this 6-5 for A with Army as the deciding or (ugh) tying vote.

Dragon, AA, MKid, Pun, and Vols. Do you guys have any major objections to Plan A IF the vote goes the other way? Any of you having 2nd thoughts?

[Mikey]

Sure, I'll switch. Moose likes the idea after further thought, and I can live with it too.

[dragonmak]

I'm cool with majority and don't have any objections either way.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

No major objections from me.

[Jack Quinn]

yeah you can switch my vote to the two franchise

[Jack Quinn]

what if we changed the franchise thing slightly? Players drafted 1-5 could be franchised, but not used as keepers? If we go with one franchise, that takes 12 top players off the market, maybe we do something with the keeper rule so you can't keep them forever or something.

But maybe one franchised 1-5 player would be interesting? Maybe?

[Lucky]

Army dropped me a line to say he stopped by to read everything and he's cool either way. So that looks like a win for Plan A. DM and MKid don't object. As long as Pun, AA, and Vols are cool with it we have a finish.

EDIT: Sorry, Moose, didn't see that post. I personally like protecting the top 5 rounds and I like not having too many keepers. As always, if the league wants it but for my own personal tastes I think this system works and most importantly, appears to be agreed upon.

[Jack Quinn]

well I am cool with whatever is agreed on, it would be the same number of keepers, only you could franchise a 1-5 player. The penalty would be something like, the first year it cost you a 10th round pick, then moves up each year (or something like that) that way after a few years you have to decide if it is really worth it


But again, if everyone is cool with the way it is now, that is fine

[Attitude Adjuster]

You guys are killing me! Whatever you guys decide, I'm cool. Just make up your minds. You guys remind me of a bunch of chicks.

[Lucky]

Sad but true.