[The Jewish Cunthead]

Well Serg is gone but I don't think he's needed here in this Homer vs. HBO matchup.

(2) The Simpsons


vs.

(31)Entourage


Voting ends Thursday 11/8

[Courtney]

Oh this is fucking difficult. Let's look at the nom list:

9) Entourage
10) The Simpsons

Entourage it is, I guess.

[Jack Quinn]

wow. again, Entourage is a good enough show, but it has never made me laugh

[Lucky]

Then why do you watch it?

I must say, I voted Entourage. But its not the funnier show. I can admit that. I'm just a spiteful bastard. But I don't feel bad about it. If Entourage SOMEHOW knocks it off, good. It will open up the tourney by taking that juggernaut out. Most of us will still call Simpsons one of the greatest if not the greatest in history.

[Jack Quinn]

I watched a few episodes of Entourage because it is a good show, not to get some laughs. Like I said, it is a good show, but I am not even sure it is a comedy.

Anyway, there is no way it should lose to the Simpsons

[Lucky]

No it shouldn't. But sometimes good things can come from bad acts.

Not like Simpsons won't be up by double digits by noon tomorrow anyway.

[Lou]

I decided to abstain from any further voting in this when Scrubs beat All in the Family. Now Entourage is beating The Simpsons. Entourage.

[salmonjunkie]

Entourage makes me laugh a lot, actually. I do wonder though if it's because it's so heavily based in the city I've lived in for the last 11 years.

Johnny Drama especially makes me laugh because I know people just like him.

[williamssl]

luckylopez said:

I must say, I voted Entourage. But its not the funnier show. I can admit that. I'm just a spiteful bastard. But I don't feel bad about it. If Entourage SOMEHOW knocks it off, good. It will open up the tourney by taking that juggernaut out. Most of us will still call Simpsons one of the greatest if not the greatest in history.

Dev:
Your earlier argument that the Drama finals would have been Sopranos/Shield even if we had one overall bracket as opposed to Network/Cable splits...two arguments why that wouldn't have happened.

1 is the previously mentioned "broader reach of non cable stuff/enough people w/o premium cable/etc". But the other is laid out above. The spite factor.

I'd be lying if I said I never voted that way and I suspect many others have as well (Lucky - this isn't calling you on why/how you vote so not looking for a debate from you on this).

[National Champion Chris Cole]

[DevSop]

I never said spite wouldn't be a factor. I said I'd have two issues if dramas combined. Either it was a foregone conclusion that it would be Sopranos/Shield getting very far if not the final 2, or neither would have made it out of spite and the showdown is just dumb at that point. Look, I know Lost or 24 or House or whatever are great shows and they have their fans. More fans than the cable shows just because of access, but a legit comparison of Shield/Sopranos and House/Lost shouldn't even be close..

Solly said it in one of his posts about The Sopranos, even it's worst episode had more people talking than any episode of House. It's an epic show, and when it was at it's peak nothing even compares to it.

[salmonjunkie]

This is very difficult. I love the Simpsons and I love Entourage. I actually have Simpsons DVDs but I don't think I'd ever buy a DVD of Entourage (because they replay the shit out of it on one of the other HBOs). If I were to go by the Hot Chick factor, Entourage would easily win.

But I really can't figure which way to vote. Simpsons made me laugh tons. But not in a quite a few years. I still have yet to have watch an episode of Entourage and thought "That was a bad episode".

Hmmm....

[Lucky]

You'd also never buy a DVD of Entourage because HBO prices it insanely so you basically end up paying $60 for 6 hours when you'd pay $50 for 23 hours of Lost or a network drama.

Sorry, that pisses me off.

[Lucky]

I was totally gonna respond to this earlier but decided to just avoid it. But I just watched House, loved it. I desperately want to talk about it, am upset there's no OO thread about it, considered starting a thread here, and texted the one other person I know who watches the damn show.

devilsoprano said:

Look, I know Lost or 24 or House or whatever are great shows and they have their fans. More fans than the cable shows just because of access, but a legit comparison of Shield/Sopranos and House/Lost shouldn't even be close..

Solly said it in one of his posts about The Sopranos, even it's worst episode had more people talking than any episode of House. It's an epic show, and when it was at it's peak nothing even compares to it.

Nevermind that your whole argument is pretty damn silly because its taking your subjective opinion and treating it as the truth. I know that's what we do in these things but it gets kinda thin when its being repeated over and over again as the defense for why 2 shows simply ARE of greater value than everything else in TV history. I think Sopranos was on overrated show that was utter shit half the time but because it was recognizable actors and unique content it kept people going. And it had a self nurturing nature that since everyone was constantly calling it the greatest TV show in history everyone thought it was the greatest TV show in history. Disagree? How could you. EVERYONE is saying different. Why would you argue it MIGHT be only the 2nd or 3rd or 4th best? We all agree it was damn good and one of the best ever. If you try and push it down a notch or two lots of people are gonna apparently dismiss your opinion out of hand.

Sopranos is bigger than House or Lost or whatever. It might be better but bigger does NOT equal better. THAT's why its so damn hyped. THAT's why its worst episode is more talked about than House's best. Because there is no doubt in the world that House's best were better than Sopranos' worst. In fact House's best were probably better than some of Sopranos' best. But Sopranos had a bigger audience and became the staple of Monday Morning Cooler Talk. Yes, part of that was that it was a great show. But Ally McBeal was a staple of cooler talk for a long time and for a long time after the show had become unbearable to watch even to its fans. Its hard to shake that stuff and its hard to pick it up in the first place. Unless you're lucky enough to be on Sunday Night HBO or Thursday Night NBC.

Personally? Sopranos' was overrated and sucked half the time. Shield is fun and fast and violent but filled with lots of mediocre acting, silly storytelling, and I don't think it could for a second survive if it was on anything near a regular show's pacing. Same with Sopranos, actually. The first 2 seasons of Sopranos were awesome. That's 26 hours of TV. The first season of Lost was awesome. That's 24 hours of TV. Seasons 3-6 of Sopranos and 2-3 of Lost might compare favorably in my mind. There are many other shows I'd take over either. And lots of shows that managed to put out a LOT more quality episodes before getting crazy and silly.

These showdowns are ALL about our subjective opinions and have regularly had some majorly shocking results or ones that annoyed a lot of people. If the Sopranos or Shield didn't win the Drama showdown it would no more invalidate it than Godfather 2 getting knocked out earlier invalidated the Movie showdown to some. Or Scrubs beating All In The Family invalidated this one to some. Or Rosemary's Baby not even being nominated invalidated horror to me.