[Moosehead Jack]

and I said that in the 70's and early 80's before he got obese and completely immobile Andre was great. But that is far enough back that most don't remember/care to look for it. Its the same problem we had with the classic tv shows versus the newer shows. No one bothered to watch the old ones, so they MUST be inferior to the new ones.

and I was never that much of an Andre fan, but I liked him more than Taker. Taker bores the hell out of me

[The Jewish Cunthead]

mooseheadjack said:

luckylopez said:

This is a silly nostalgic board that votes for stuff they liked when they were kids instead of what I think is better.

Fixed that for ya

Not true. Didn't you read what Lopez wrote in the Foley vs. Raven bracket?

So I may not be happy to see Raven go down and I may be really annoyed at how everyone of my guys seemed to get the shittiest draws in this tourney. But Foley does deserve to beat Raven.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Andre did a great acting job in Princess Bride. If wasn't against Taker who is one of my all time favorites I might still be voting Andre. You have to not mind some slow plodding points in matches but he was so over and the first real spectacle in wrestling. If Andre wasn't the legend that he was then Hogan's WM III win would not have been as meteoric for Hulk's career or for Wrestlemania in general. Andre was an integral part the 80s success.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

metallikid said:

Andre did a great acting job in Princess Bride.

By that rationale, Thunderlips should win the whole fuckin thing... I mean, Rocky III > Godfather II, right?

[Lucky]

Moose, I asked for you to point to ONE match that was good and you said "probably something in the '70s." That's not an argument. It comes off as a random avoidance. But it helps NOTHING to showing me why he has an ounce of worth to this business.

I have disagreed with half the wins in this tourney. I have argued the methods many have used. I have gotten snipey when some of my favorites have fallen out. This is the only showdown in which I truly and utterly believe that one half has no fucking right in putting up a fight and am COMPLETELY perplexed as to why a fanbase that seems utterly incapable of even offering a slight defense of him can vote him over a talented icon.

If you're ok with that, great. It won't be the first or last time we walk away from each other at odds. But until you actually present me with an actual argument for Andre I will continue to make the logical and only presumption. Andre was a talentless freak and is only remembered fondly by those who saw him in that "bigger than life" persona that he had because he came first.

[Lucky]

metallikid said:

Andre did a great acting job in Princess Bride.

You know, I've been told Khali is very charming in his role in The Longest Yard. I've never seen either film so I couldn't tell you either way. But I've never gotten why the Princess Bride counts towards Andre's legacy any more than the Scorpion King counts against Rock's. Or why we don't blame Roddy Piper for Hell Comes to Frogtown.

It probably does speak to the only thing I can figure Andre had besides size. He seemed to be a likable guy. But why the hell a likable guy who happened to be a freak of nature is held up as one of the greatest of all time, I'll never know.

To acknowledge him for his place and what his presence meant to wrestling? Ok. But to pretend that any mildly charismatic guy cursed with acromegaly couldn't have done the same thing and not missed a beat? Well I've yet to see anyone even TRY to argue otherwise.



EDIT: When I get a chance I'm gonna watch Andre vs Inoki to see if MAYBE there was some talent in there. Because that's the only match I can seem to find that is longer than 2 minutes.