[Mr. Dashbee]

Week 5
From RAW to Smackdown...and everything in between. Who made your Top 6 this week?

The object is simple. You rank your top 6 performers of the week. Inverted points are awarded for 1-6 (6 points for your #1, 5 points for your #2, etc.). The top 12 point getters will comprise the Pun's House 12-Pack! Some fun will also happen with historical rankings and brand rankings, so keep an eye out for Serge, Lucky & Demko's contributions as we start to develop some history.

A few ground rules:
-Posting is preferred (with some comments if you can, they are very important to the rankings!), but you can also PM me your votes if you like.
-Feel free disagree and discuss your opinions. Try not to trash others' opinions, this whole thing is subjective. If you do disagree, present some great counter arguments and get the discussion going.
-Ties are okay. But you must skip the next spot if there is a tie. You can't have more than 2 per ranking (no 6-way ties for first place), either. And know that your points will be divided up amongst those who are tied. For example: if you have two tied for 2nd place, they share the 2nd & 3rd points (5 pts + 4 pts = 9 pts, or 4.5 per ranked competitor in that tie). The most you can rank is 7, if you have a tie for 6th place. A three way tie for 5th place (with no 6th place) is acceptable as well. You can also have a 6-way tie for first, or even a 7-way tie for first. As long as the numbers work out to an even point or half point, I will use it. I'm like math...
-Only vote for a specific performer once. If they competed in different ways, or even for different promotions, consider their body of work as a whole. If this is done and not changed, only the higher vote will count for the current week.
-Feel free to link to or post video evidence or campaign for someone if you feel moved to do so. Lucky also has a great online wrestling content thread going here.
-It’s okay to change your rankings. But please PM me to let me know. I tabulate the points as we go along, so I might not realize you changed something if you don't let me know.
-If you're unsure about something, check-out prior voting & result threads found nearby. As always, feel free to ask in this thread or via PM.

Week 5 Specifics
-Eligibility period: Monday 4/28 - Sunday 5/4
-Voting closes at 11:59 PM Wednesday 5/7, Eastern time (9 PM, Arizona time for me). The results will be posted before you wake up Thursday (East Coast, at least).

Eligible shows from the "Big 3":
-WWE RAW
-ECW
-TNA Impact
-WWE Smackdown

Plus:
-Any online content involving recent events that started airing this week, including an ROH VideoWire, WWE Heat, and TNA Today videos. Many indies put out online content as well.
-Any indy or international shows that took place during the eligibility period.

Have fun, and vote away! As always, please pimp this throughout the board (and anywhere else that has people might be interested).[/quote]

[Batman]

1) Awesome Kong
The surprise announcement of her inclusion in the Deuces Wild tournament was a huge mark-out moment for me. I've been itching for her to move into the tag division since her face-off with Hernandez a few weeks ago. She has the potential to overtake Chyna as the biggest crossover from Women's to Heavyweight ever, and I'm happy to see that TNA sees that potential.

2) William Regal
Potatoing the crap out Mr. Kennedy? Badass. Cutting to black? Badass. King General Manager Lord William Regal? Badass.

3) A.J. Styles & Super Eric
Super phenomenal.

4) Chris Jericho
And the award for most smugly sarcastic goes to . . .

5) Samoa Joe
He loves being champion.

6) LAX with Hector Guerrero
I think Hector was the final piece of the puzzle, and now that they have power, speed, a mouthpiece, and arm-candy, they're ready to really set things on fire again. (Also, Salinas actually looked hot for once, instead of just over-inflated. I think orange suits her better than black.)

HM) M.V.P. - He was the MVP of the best match of the week, I think. But he only makes HM? Just more of a storyline week....
Trevor Murdoch - I've gotta give him credit, it's tough to sing when you're out of breath. This will likely get old fast, but for one night it was just appealingly weird.

[iamdoug]

6.Cheerleader Melissa - She was more impressive in her debut than a lot of established stars where this week

5.Petey Williams - The transformation into little Petey pump has been tremendous, this could be the serious revitalization the x-division needed

4.Motor City Machine Guns - Still didn't win a match, still looked damn good during it.

3.LAX - Hector Guerro is like the eighth person to join LAX, I love their rotating member policy

2.Samoa Joe - His match was good, and I love the bad ass refusal to tag out to Angle.

1.AJ Styles - A slow and Realistic face turn for the phenomenal one is coming to a fruition, AJ is a sidekick no more.

HM- The Knockouts, from an awesome tag match, To Awesome Kong, these girls blew away anything the divas tried to do, and what most of the men did as well

DM- The WWE, three main events, three silly shenanigans, this was not a fun week to watch these shows for me.

[Lucky]

That's weird. I was gonna question the LAX rotating member comment and then I thought about it... and Hector IS actually the 8th guy to be a member (presuming he is a member which I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to say). Huh.

I gonna rewatch some shit or something because I have no idea who my six is. I'm tempted to just go Melissa, Kim/ODB, Beautiful People, McCool/Cherry, Neidhart/Victoria, and Lacey. But I don't think I will.

[Ultimatejobber]

6. Awesome Kong: Gets to step up and take on folks her own size

5. LAX: This team really has its momentum back. After adding Hector, I am really pulling for this team to get the belts.

3T. Matt Hardy and MVP: They had the best match on TV this week IMO. I do want to see these two move on soon, though.

2. William Regal: Beats the snot out of Kennedy and then gives us a WCW ending to Raw. Loved it.

1. Chris Jericho: Jericho actually got me to stop everything I was doing and pay attention to the Highlight Reel for fear I would miss something. He is the best jerk in wrestling. And Fuji General is always fun to watch; Heidenrape...not so much.

HM: Jim Cornette, AJ Styles, Cheerleader Melissa, Daisy Haze, and JBL (poor Robbie got a beatin'. Stay away from TNA!).

[Demko]

6. Cheerleader Melissa - For one who really hasn't gotten much of a chance to see her in the ring, she was impressive. That finisher? Just... DAMN! And, from what I hear, she wasn't nearly as impressive as she CAN be. So I'm chomping at the bit to see her full potential.

5. LAX - With a refocused group, and with Hector Guerrero, as well as invoking the holy name of Eddie, these 4 really entertained me this week. I can very easily see them winning the Deuces Wild tournament.

4. William Regal - I gotta admit, the role he's playing, as super badass guy in charge... I love it. Ten times better than Eric Bischoff ever was.

3. MVP - As far as he's come since the sigh-inducing storyline that brought him ON to Smackdown, MVP has pretty much become the go-to heel when a generic heel is needed for something. That, plus his match with Matt on Friday make Montel Vonatavious Porter (or NAMBLA, for short) Smackdown's true MVP.

2. A.J. Styles - His story this week took him to see Booker T, Roode & Storm, Kevin Nash... each and every one of them, comedy gold. His match against RNRI with Super Eric was awesome. Continues to be TNA's steady hand.

1. Scott Steiner - Between his world title aspirations (and the fact that he got one-up on Joe/Angle this week), and his creation of a mini-me in Little Petey Pump, I've gotta say that Scott Steiner has been entertaining me week in and week out. Plus, his promo this week about his percent chance of winning the World Title this week? COMEDIC GENIUS! He's really learned how to take his rambling moon language and make it work to his advantage!

EDIT: Adjusted to remove my double-AJ nomination. Poor Super Eric. :-)

[Batman]

This probably should be clearer in the rules. You can't vote for the same guy or team twice in the same ballot; if you do, only the higher one will count. For instance, people have occasionally voted for each member of a tag team individually. The points went to each guy's individual standings, no problem. But only the higher of the two went to the team.

So in this case, from the one-week perspective, you would be wasting your 5th place slot. Your 5 points for AJ Styles would go to a ranking for AJ and/or Eric, and the 2 points wouldn't count.

From the cumulative rankings perspective, The 5 points would count towards AJ solo, and the 2 points would count towards the team of AJ and Super Eric. Normally I would then split the team votes, 1 for AJ and 1 for Eric, but you can't vote for the same guy twice on the same ballot, so only Eric would receive the 1 point.

[Demko]

I went ahead and modified my votes, then, based on what you said.

[Deadly]

Here are my rankings based on a very limited week of watching wrestling. I'm not witty enough for comments right now. If I think of anything, I'll edit them in.

6. Cheerleader Melissa
5. Awesome Kong
4. MCMG
3. LAX
2. Samoa Joe
1. AJ Styles

I'm on the warpath to take back my TNA Wanker crown!

[Attitude Adjuster]

My Top 6 for another blah week:

1) Scott Steiner: Had me in convulsions with his math regarding the three-way title match at Sacrifice. And then he ends it with “the numbers spell defeat for you,” or something like that. I would have ranked him here even if he hadn’t wrestled. Scott Steiner on the mic was gold this week.

2) AJ Styles: Another golden performance outside the ring. His encounters with Booker T and Nash, and then finding Super Eric as a partner, were classic. I’d love to see an AJ Styles/Super Eric tag title run, but if the team leads to an advancement of AJ’s face turn, I’ll take it.

3) Ken Kennedy: I was not a fan of the ending of RAW. It felt contrived, long and anvilicious. But Kennedy’s interruption of Regal was 1) great to see and 2) well put together. I love Kennedy’s facial expressions and puppy-dog eyes when he’s sarcastically hurt by his opponents words.

4) Mike Adamle: Many of you hated this, but I think it was a well put together angle. Yes it was a work, but who cares. I’m beginning to think it’s a well put together swerve on the Internet community. I’m hoping WWE writers (or maybe Adamle himself) want to play off the Chicago newscast story (thanks, BD), and I’m willing to bet that the Adamle You Tube screwup video was planted by a WWE employee. Am I giving WWE writers too much credit? Maybe. But it could be Adamle himself who’s writing this angle.

5) The Beautiful People (Sky/Love): They still seem too choreographed in their sexual movements and too scripted in their words (I must touch my body now as I say these words), but they’re much better as heels than faces, and have created a non-title angle in the TNA Knockouts division. Good for them. Plus they are nice to look at.

6) John Morrison/The Miz: For the Internet-only “Dirt Sheet” this week, recapping the Top 10 moments in ECW history. Solid humor and biting commentary from the tag champs/former ECW champ. If you hven't seen this, check out the Online Wrestling Content thread. It's worth viewing.

[Mr. Dashbee]

1. Mr. Kennedy - I don't think anyone saw the face turn coming. But the fact that the fans answered each of his questions correctly makes me believe the timing was perfect.

2. AJ Styles - AJ was pure comedic gold this week. No one is better at getting shit on and still come out smelling like roses. In the ring & out, the guy can do it all.

3. Velvet Sky & Angelina Love - Congrats to both of you ladies for making me care as much about your characters as I care about your asses.

4. Cheerleader Melissa - Please God let this be more than a one-off match. I really, really hope this is the start of something for her in the Knockouts division.

5. Chris Jericho - Chris was awesome this week. And he has never looked more comfortable with his role.

6. LAX - Homicide's promo skills aside, their in-ring acting was fanastic, and they really drew the audience in with the recruiting of Hector Guerrero.

Another TNA heavy week for me, but I really enjoyed the show. Many HMs this week, including ODB, Joe, Steiner/Petey, Awesome Kong, Storm/Roode, William Regal, MVP/Hardy, and more that I can't think of right now.

[Mr. Dashbee]

May 5, 2008 10:09:17 GMT -5 Batman said:

This probably should be clearer in the rules. You can't vote for the same guy or team twice in the same ballot; if you do, only the higher one will count. For instance, people have occasionally voted for each member of a tag team individually. The points went to each guy's individual standings, no problem. But only the higher of the two went to the team.

So in this case, from the one-week perspective, you would be wasting your 5th place slot. Your 5 points for AJ Styles would go to a ranking for AJ and/or Eric, and the 2 points wouldn't count.

From the cumulative rankings perspective, The 5 points would count towards AJ solo, and the 2 points would count towards the team of AJ and Super Eric. Normally I would then split the team votes, 1 for AJ and 1 for Eric, but you can't vote for the same guy twice on the same ballot, so only Eric would receive the 1 point.

I'm glad this came up. I modified the rules, and added some more language about ties.

[jetskid48]

In honor of Black Female Samoa Joe walking out and making "Angry Kong Faces" and then somehow getting votes, here's my "you really didn't do shit this week, but what the hell, you're making my list whether you did anything or not" top 6:

1. Mr. Kennedy: You came, you were yourself, I somehow thought that made you face, I was yelled at, I changed my mind, news stories come out about how your now turning face, I get confused, then I start to realize this could be very good. Kennedy, you're #1.....#1!

2. Miz and Morrison: Before they united, Miz couldn't wrestle, and Morrison couldn't recite a single line of promo. Now they're together and they both have suddenly fixed their faults (well Miz still kinda sucks, but you get the point). Another amazing Dirt Sheet throws them up top. Still the best tag champs in the business today.

3. Chris Jericho: +1 for pulling off the highlight reel so well, -10 for making me relive Heidenreich trying to ass-rape Michael Cole, +1,000 for the After the Bell segment with Roddy Piper.

4. Roddy Piper: You're old, you're fat, and your on my top 6.
And oh yeah, your still the Hot Rod!

5. Edge: First I was going to give this spot to vacant, because really, it had the best week becoming World Heavyweight Champion. But I decided that it would be really hard to rank it. So then I was going to go with Matt Hardy, but I decided he did wayyyy too much this week, having a great match with MVP and all. So finally, I have chosen Edge. He came out for moral support for Vickie. Made the "Edge face of retribution", the "Edge face of 'my neck still hurts'" and the "Edge I get a paycheck for this, right?" face. Last to mention that he was able to get the belt taken away from his enemy...one way or another...in an eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil kind of way, and I enjoy evil. Yeah, another top week for Edge.
Fuck it, Serg is right. Vacant is my number 5. You don't become a double champion and NOT get a single top 6 vote.

6 (t). Curt Hawkins and Scott Steiner:
Wicked finisher for Hawkins and being the Edgehead #1 getting to the belt first and stealing it from the Undertaker...thus being the only one of you two that will ever be allowed to touch that title in your careers. Congrats.

Steiner for his math. I love Steiner. I just wish he didn't wrestle. Crazy Steiner promos are all I need.

HM: MVP, Matt Hardy, William Regal, AJ Styles (not Super Eric), LAX (the 7th best Guerrero will lead them to glory), and Cheerleader Melissa (cuz it turns out she is kinda pretty).




Slow week brings out the horrible sarcasm again. Hopefully week 2 of WWE's Operation Russoing, along with TNA brings out exciting stuff like Stephanie's baby being an alien, the Bushwackers becoming ECW GMs, Kong being the 50th person to turn on Sting, and Vince McMahon dying...again.

I really shouldn't do my top 6's when I'm tired and cranky. Naptime before Raw I guess.

[creepy]

1. LAX - I hope this is the start of what I think it's the start of. Or something.

2. Scott Steiner - Smarts, for once, propel him to new heights. Although it did kinda backfire on him. And the promo was simply just amazing.

3. Kennedy - I was really drunk when I watched RAW last tuesday at 6 am, but the only two things I remembered were Kennedy and Murdoch's singing. So Murdoch gets in later, and Kennedy goes here.

4. AJ Styles - Please lose Super Eric. Maybe Kazz turns on either of them for being stabbed in the back? I could see it. Oh, AJ places because he's, well, AJ. And he's gold.

5. Jim Cornette - Always been a fan. One of the best speakers/characters ever in the bizz. Constantly proving it.

6. Trevor Murdoch - I have no idea what's going on, but I've always dug the guy. And it was entertaining. I think.

[bdbdbd]

6. LAX (Hernandez & Homicide w/ Salinas) - I just like voting for LAX, I think.
5. Morrizon (John Morrison & The Miz) - Their SmackDown! match was good, which is to be expected when these four have wrestled each other something nearing 900 times. But that Dirt Sheet is probably the best ~5 minutes of entertainment that WWE produced all week.
4. Big Poppa & Little Petey Pump - Petey worked his ass off in their match, and if you didn't love Scott's promo you're a crazy person.
3. Matt Hardy - Good math, with a weak, weak finish. Feud's not over.
2. The Beautiful People (Angelina Love & Velvet Sky) - Not even because of the nipple slip, because I didn't see that! They cut a cromulent promo, then had a damn good match. I really, really wanted them to come out of it with the win.
1. A. J. Styles - Always. Gold. Just please don't win marry him to E.Y.

Honorable Mentions: MVP: Matt Hardy wasn't in the ring by himself, Motor City Machine Guns: if their match had a finish, they'd be on the list, Jimmy Wang Yang & Shannon Moore: also the other half of a good match, Julio Deniro: for showing up on television!

[Tommy]

1) "Freakzilla" "Big Poppa Pump" Scott Steiner - 133% of the time, that promo makes me laugh.

2) AJ Styles - Phenomenal.

3) Cheerleader Melissa - EVEN THOUGH LUCKY POSTED SPOILERS! Jerl.

4) Daizee Haze - HEARTPUNCH, BITCHES!

5) LAX - BLAT BLAT!

6) Awesome Kong - This could potentially mean a more competitive "Knockouts" division; a division which is currently stronger than the WWE Divas Division, Tag Team Division and the defunct Cruiserweight Division combined.

[jetskid48]

May 5, 2008 16:17:38 GMT -5 Tommy said:

6) Awesome Kong - This could potentially mean a more competitive "Knockouts" division; a division which is currently stronger than the WWE Divas Division, Tag Team Division and the defunct Cruiserweight Division combined.

Only if they replace her in the division with Kaz wearing a wonderbra. He wouldn't have to be mad at Super Eric anymore...he could be Knockouts Champ! Only then will the division be stronger than all those others combined. Ok...I'm borderline insane.

[Batman]

May 5, 2008 15:35:51 GMT -5 jetskid48 said:

In honor of Black Female Samoa Joe walking out and making "Angry Kong Faces" and then somehow getting votes, here's my "you really didn't do shit this week, but what the hell, you're making my list whether you did anything or not" top 6:

OK, well this seems mainly aimed in my direction, so I guess I'll respond to it.

I've said it before, I don't just rank based on what the wrestler did for the week, but also what the week did for the wrestler. Being announced as part of the Egotistical Eight is a big deal for Kong. It basically says that she is one of TNA's top stars, along with guys like Sting and Booker T.

If you don't agree with the rationale of ranking a wrestler based partly on how the week has affected the direction of their career or their character or if the new direction for Kong doesn't seem like a good one to you, I can see where my giving her my top ranking makes no sense.

But take my word for it, Cornette's surprise announcement was the biggest mark-out of the week for me. And it's not because of the way Cornette said it, it's because of who he said it about. And the credit for that goes to Kong.

[jetskid48]

Ah, didn't mean to take a shot at you...just a way to set up my own lazy picks. My bad. I really don't care how other people vote, afterall, this whole thing is made of everyone's opinion; wouldn't make sense for everyone to share the same one.

And go trying to use logic to defend your pick anyway...everyone knows you have a Kong fetish.


And now its time to go get all Cinco De Mayo before Raw.

[Mr. Dashbee]

May 5, 2008 16:11:47 GMT -5 bdbdbd said:

4. Big Poppa & Little Petey Pump - Petey worked his ass off in their match, and if you didn't love Scott's promo you're a crazy person.

Scott Steiner & Petey Williams are now being considered as a unit for Week 5. Just as an FYI...a vote for either means a vote for both. Also, they can't be voted for separately.

This is just for Week 5. Sergei will do what he does best and consider all angles for the historical rankings.

[Moreofabreadguyanyway]

1. A.J. Styles- loved him in the backstage segments, and he had a good match also. Hate EY though.
2. Scott Steiner & Petey Williams- great promo by Steiner and a good tag match by the duo to boot.
3. Chris Jericho- was a total asshole, but was also incredibly entertaining while being one.
4. LAX- good match and post-match promo; hopefully they'll be getting a nice push again.
5. Samoa Joe- looked badass in the main event tag match.
6. (t) MVP and Matt Hardy- really solid match on Smackdown.

[Byrntrigan]

May 5, 2008 11:50:13 GMT -5 Deadly said:

I'm on the warpath to take back my TNA Wanker crown!

This week ain't gonna be your week then bitch!

6. James E. Cornette - Corny continues his tear of diabolical GM'ing. Allways good when the GM actually gts stuff over on the workers, most GM's are rubs...

5. Cheerleader Mellisa - I'm gratefull that TNA used my idea, but I hope they space out her double appearances. Now TNA, since you are listening. Raesha Saaed = heel, Cheerleader mellisa = face. Imagine if Saed attacks someone and Mellisa helps them later in the show

4. Somoa Joe - Even when he only wrestles a short match you can see the Impact Zone change it's complexion. Reminds me of Japanese audiences, Joe commands respect out of that arena, and it's noticeable. No other champ I remember has done that.

3. LAX - I can only pray that Hector turns on LAX as a reciept for last years "Lockdown". TNA would earn bonus points forever!

2. Scott Steiner - Moonman has done by far his best promo in years. And the sad thing is, I could follow it and it made sense

1. "Phenomenal" AJ Styles - AJ crossed the line this week. He is no longer lacky, he commands lackies. Good on you AJ. Now let's see a slow face turn to make you the best homegrown star in TNA.

comments to follow.

[wld]

1.) Scott Steiner – It’s like all those years of moon man promos were leading to this week. It was worth it.

2.) AJ Styles – No matter what they throw him into, AJ makes it hilarious, and still comes off as logical.

3.) Samoa Joe – The combination of being a badass and reveling in his role as champion make him a guy you want to build your company around.

4.) Cheerleader Melissa – A great Debut. I think she can make the dual character work. (Although my wife immediately identified her as Raesha Saed, just from the eyes.)

5.) LAX –They’ve had the tools to lead the tag division for a while, and they keep adding to them.

6.) William Regal – The push continues, and he continues to be awesome.

[Batman]

jetskid: No offense taken. I'm happy to have a pretext to make the case for Kong. It is seriously wrong that the Beautiful People are ahead of her in the rankings so far. Sure they cut a promo and worked a match.... But they weren't especially good ones. Yes, Kong just made faces at the camera, but she did it in the main event segment, and she's going to be in the tag team tournament!

Also jetskid, I think you should give "Vacant" a second chance. I think you forgot to take into account that not only did vacant take the Smackdown title this week, but the TNA tag titles were already in the hands of vacant. An impressive accomplishment....


Re Steiner (and everybody loving his promo so much this week): Yeah, his promo was funny, but he has done better. I don't think he could possibly top that one promo he cut on Cage: "You come here from Canada, you put whoop-te-do in yer hair...."

[Lucky]

He's done better but the math angle and the fact that he actually followed it was just awesome. Its like gymnastics. He gets graded on level of difficulty attempted.