[Mr. Dashbee]

Here they come…here come’s Speed Muscle![/b]

Pun's House 12-Pack Week 11[/u]

I guess a pregnant wife and a 2 year old are too much right now. Comments are on hiatus until the wife starts going to bed at a reasonable time again…

1. Speed Muscle of Naruki Doi and Masato Yoshino (17 votes / 4 first place votes / 70 points)

2. Motor City Machine Guns of Alex Shelley & Chris Sabin (14/7/64)

3. Chris Jericho (15/3/62.5)

4. Kurt Angle (11/4/37)

5. AJ Styles (8/2/34.5)

6. Samoa Joe (6/1/17.5)

7. Evan Bourne/Matt Sydal (& Kofi Kingston) (8/0/15.5)

8. TIE - LAX of Homicide, Hernandez, Hector & Salinas (3/0/10)

8. TIE - John Morrison & The Miz (3/0/10)

10. Kaz (3/1/9.5)

11. James Storm & Robert Roode (3/0/7)

12. Awesome Kong (& Raesha Saeed) (4/0/6)


Others receiving votes: The RickRoller, Jeff Hardy, CM Punk, Big Show, Team 3D, Kevin Nash, Mick Foley, Alex Koslov, Daivari, The Beautiful People, Booker T, Abyss and MVP.

Notes:
- 18 voters…welcome back Firewoman!
- One of the closest weeks yet, the top 3 separated by less than 8 pts. No one got in with less than 3 votes.
- 25 talents in all included, 16 from TNA.

Watch out for some more great stuff from Sergei & Demko.

Discuss!

[Batman]

Rank	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	8	10	11	12
Week 11 12-Pack	Speed Muscle	Motor City Machine Guns	Chris Jericho	Kurt Angle	A. J. Styles	Samoa Joe	Kofi Kingston / Evan Bourne	Miz & Morrison	LAX (Homicide / Hernandez / Salinas / Hector)	Kaz	Storm & Roode	Kong / Saeed
Brand	Dragon's Gate	TNA	Raw	TNA	TNA	TNA	ECW	ECW	TNA	TNA	TNA	TNA
Points	70	64	62.5	37	34.5	17.5	15.5	10	10	9.5	7	6
Votes	17	14	15	11	8	6	8	3	3	3	3	4
FPVs	4	7	3	4	2	1				1
G-B	5	3	4	6			1
Lucky	5	6	4				3				2
bd	2		1	6	5		3
firewoman			6		5		2	4
TheDead	5	6		1	4	3				2
snelson66	5.5	5.5	2	3					4		1
metallikid	5	6	3	1		4				2
ultimatejobber	2		4			5.5				5.5
Attitude Adjuster	1.5	1.5	4	6
Tommy D420
needsmorecowbell
jetskid48	2		6				3	4
paddler
Sergei	6	4	5	2.5			1					2.5
wld	3	4	5	2	6							1
psmitty
dxb	5.5	5.5	3				2				4
iamdoug	4	5		1	6	2			3
DevilSoprano	4	6	5	3	0.5		0.5					2
blackdragon
TheDemko	6	2	5		4							0.5
Creepy	5	6			4	1		2	3
Produce	3.5	3.5	5.5	5.5		2
jno

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[DevSop]

Internet/Indy Wank comment...

Dragon Gate. No 's in the name.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Since we all voted on Speed Muscle because of Impact and they will be part of the World X Cup shouldn't they be considered TNA right now?

[jetskid48]

I'd say if they wind up on the TNA roster page on TNAWrestling.com, then definitely they should be TNA roster.

But I doubt that will happen, and it seems like they'll probably head back to Dragon Gate after the tourney....so unless they actually announce that they've signed them for real, I'd stick with Dragon Gate. I mean, we don't vote Angle as a given Japan organization when he wrestles there every so often.

[Lucky]

I'm of two minds. On one hand they are Dragon Gate wrestlers on loan specifically to compete as 1/2 of Team Japan and Tenay said exactly that. They're not TNA roster members. When an ECW wrestler competes on RAW we mark him ECW. Were ROH and TNA to sign a working agreement and start a war tonight on Impact we'd vote the ROH guys as "ROH."

On the other hand Alex Kozlov and Daivari are listed as "TNA" in Serg's ranks. When Piper showed up in WWE for a few weeks he is listed as "WWE" despite not being a member of the roster. While Speed Muscle are Dragon Gate wrestlers they were wrestling for TNA on a TNA show, not some kind of co-promotion. The World X Cup is a 100% TNA production. Team Japan is half New Japan and half Dragon Gate while Team International is apparently pieced up of individuals from around the world and once was going to include Sonjay Dutt. So do Kozlov, Daivari, and the rest of their team get ranked as BLANK like the Rickrolled guy was?

So I can go either way on this one. I'm inclined myself to rank Speed Muscle as "TNA" AND "Dragon Gate" as we used to do with guys like Homicide who worked ROH and TNA and got votes for both. And Team International, since they don't represent anyone, gets ranked as "TNA" only.

[jetskid48]

Only thing I would say to that is that Piper isn't currently connected to any other company and isn't he technically signed to a "legends" deal, that would pretty much make him WWE?

As far as Alex Kozlov and Daivari, I don't know if I would have had them assigned (TNA) neither, although I have no idea if either one has a current company they're actually working with or not. I probably wouldn't go with blank since they are doing wrestling somewhere, and its TNA, at the moment.

[Lucky]

That's the thing. Tyson Dux is in the X Cup and he's from BCW. So does he get listed as BCW? That seems silly to me. He's not representing them, he just works there. But he's working in TNA for the next month. I'm sure TNA's paying him, I'm sure he signed some kind of contract with them. And should he make it it will be based on what he did in TNA (presumably).

I have no problem listing Piper as "WWE" because when he's on WWE TV he's clearly working for WWE. If he were on loan from someone else and representing them, that might be different. But using our limited knowledge of contract situations seems kind of odd to me. If Trish Stratus were to pop up on RAW Monday and get ranked based on what she did, we'd rank her "RAW" or "WWE", I suspect. Would we just keep it blank because she doesn't have a contract? Even if she came back for a month on a short term deal to compete in some kind of feud or tournament?

That's basically what the X Cup guys are doing. Working on short term deals. If the guy is actually representing 1 brand or company on another company's show, I have no problem listing him that way. But if they don't are you just going to default them at whatever company they work at most regularly even if you're ranking them on the work they're doing solely for TNA?

[Batman]

I'm listing Team Japan as Dragon Gate (thanks for the correction, Dev) and Team Mexico as CMLL because they are explicitly representing their promotion. Team International isn't really representing anybody, so I'm listing them as TNA. That's the way that makes the most sense to me.

[Lucky]

Only Doi and Yoshino are from Dragon Gate. Milano Collection A.T. and Taichi Ishikari are New Japan wrestlers.

[Batman]

Rank	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12
Change			1	-1		7	-1	-1		-2	-1
Week 11 12-Pack Cumulative	A. J. Styles	Samoa Joe	LAX (Homicide / Hernandez / Salinas / Hector)	Shawn Michaels	Kurt Angle	Chris Jericho	Steiner / Williams	William Regal	C. M. Punk	Christian Cage	Ric Flair	Awesome Kong
Brand	TNA	TNA	TNA / JAPW	Raw	TNA	Raw	TNA	Raw	ECW	TNA		TNA
Points	384.5	311.5	228	222.5	221	173.5	142.5	139.5	133.5	130	126.5	121.5
Votes	93	72	65	57	62	53	38	39	38	46	25	42
FPVs	32	26	15	11	7	8	5	8	8	2	17	4
G-B	13	16	7.5	7.5	13	6	5	10	7		6	5.5
Lucky	13.5	12.5	18	15.5	15	5	10.5	6.5	8	3	6	5.5
bd	31	12	14	5.5	20	5.5	7	6	20.5	4.5	7	5
firewoman	5.5	5		9	6	7			3	0.5	5
TheDead	40	32	12	2	11		7	1	13	16	6	7
snelson66	17	12	10	9.5	10	6.5			2	16.5	6	4.5
metallikid	5.5	10	6	13	6	15	5	6	10	1	6	1
ultimatejobber	12	14.5	8	14	5	13	5	25	5	0.5	6	5.5
Attitude Adjuster	24.5	15.5	8	5.5	15.5	9	9	5.5	3	2	12	16
Tommy D420	20.5	10.5	16	6	19	0.5	12	1		19	5.5	8
needsmorecowbell	4	11	6	6	5		2	4	3	3	6	5
jetskid48	0.5	6	5	20	4	28	2.5	13	8.5	0.5	6.5
paddler				5					3		6
Sergei	13.5	22	2	27	22	16.5	5	14	5		10	15.5
wld	32	16	10	10.5	7	7	10	20	5	8	6	13.5
psmitty	0.5	6		9.5	4	4	3	9	4.5		5
dxb	23.5	24	24	5	10	3	10		13	2	6	2
iamdoug	31	24	26	11	14	7	11		4	15	4	2
DevilSoprano	16.5	18	11.5	14	10	5	4.5	0.5	8	16.5	5	6.5
blackdragon	3			5							6	2
TheDemko	22.5	15	8	6.5	6	11	10	13	2	0.5	0.5	10
Creepy	29	8	28	11	1	5	10	3		7		7
Produce	26	21.5	8	2.5	17.5	18.5	14	2	6	14.5
jno				2		1

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Chris Jericho jumped up 7 places to displace Edge from the cumulative top 12.

Rank	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12
Change					5	8	-2	-2	1	16	-2	*
Week 11 12-Pack 6-Week Running	A. J. Styles	LAX (Homicide / Hernandez / Salinas / Hector)	Samoa Joe	Awesome Kong	Kurt Angle	Chris Jericho	Booker T	Edge	Kaz	Murder City Machine Guns	Gail Kim	Speed Muscle
Brand	TNA	TNA	TNA	TNA	TNA	Raw	TNA	SD!	TNA		TNA	Dragon Gate
Points	239.5	143	134	109.5	104.5	103	91.5	83.5	77.5	77	71	70
Votes	46	35	36	37	33	31	25	17	23	19	18	17
FPVs	26	13	6	3	5	3	2	11	4	7	7	4
G-B	6	6	7	5.5	6	4		6	5	3	5.5	5
Lucky	11	7	4	5.5	7.5	4		5.5	8	6	6	5
bd	17	10	6	5	11	5.5		5.5	3		6.5	2
firewoman	5					6
TheDead	21	6	16	5	6		11	6	5	8	5	5
snelson66	12	8	6	4.5	8	6.5	5	5		5.5	3	5.5
metallikid	4	6	4	1	1	7	7	6	5	6		5
ultimatejobber	12	6	8.5	4.5		6	3	7	12.5		4.5	2
Attitude Adjuster	12.5	6	6	16	11.5	9	4	6	5	1.5	2	1.5
Tommy D420	12	8		7	9.5	0.5	5				2
needsmorecowbell		6	5	5			5		5		6
jetskid48		5				15	2	5.5				2
paddler
Sergei	11.5	1	10	9.5	13	8	4	5		4	5	6
wld	21	8	6	13.5	2	5	8	5.5		4	5.5	3
psmitty
dxb	16	13	13	2	4	3	7	6	7	7.5	6	5.5
iamdoug	18	14	7	2	4	4	5	6	7	10	6	4
DevilSoprano	12.5	5	10	6.5	6	5	10		0.5	6		4
blackdragon
TheDemko	15	6	10	10		5	4		2.5	2	5.5	6
Creepy	19	17	2	7	1					10	2	5
Produce	14	5	13.5		14	8.5	11.5	2.5	12	3.5	0.5	3.5
jno						1		6

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Jericho, the MCMGs, and Speed Muscle joined the 6-week top 12. Speed Muscle did so in their first week receiving votes--that doesn't happen often. Undertaker, The Beautiful People, and Steiner and/or Williams were displaced.

[Batman]

Rank	1	2	3	4	5
Week 11 Brand	TNA	Dragon Gate	Raw	ECW	SD!
Points	199	70	67.5	30	6.5
Votes	61	17	16	13	3
FPVs	15	4	3
G-B	11	5	4	1
Lucky	9	5	4	3
bd	11	2	1	7
firewoman	9		6	6
TheDead	16	5
snelson66	13.5	5.5	2
metallikid	13	5	3
ultimatejobber	12	2	4		3
Attitude Adjuster	10.5	1.5	4
Tommy D420
needsmorecowbell
jetskid48		2	11	7.5	0.5
paddler
Sergei	9	6	5	1
wld	13	3	5
psmitty
dxb	10.5	5.5	3	2
iamdoug	17	4
DevilSoprano	11.5	4	5	0.5
blackdragon
TheDemko	7	6	5		3
Creepy	14	5		2
Produce	12	3.5	5.5
jno

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Rank	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	10
Week 11 Brand Ranks Cumulative	TNA	Raw	SD!	ECW	Dragon Gate	ROH	WWE	PWG	JAPW	SHIMMER	NWA
Points	2180	739.5	548.5	257.5	70	49	29	3	1.5	1	1
Votes	628	213	153	84	17	21	14	3	1	1	1
FPVs	111	35	34	14	4	2	2
G-B	115.5	51.5	34.5	8.5	5	1.5	0.5	2
Lucky	123.5	29.5	29	15.5	5	0.5	1.5		1.5
bd	116.5	26	35.5	29.5	2		2
firewoman	27	16	7	13
TheDead	181	3	15	13	5	4
snelson66	95	19	12		5.5
metallikid	72	59	49	16	5
ultimatejobber	81	75	57	6	2		1
Attitude Adjuster	132.5	34.5	22	14	1.5	8.5	6
TommyD420	123	12.5	17	5.5
needsmorecowbell	58	10	12	4
jetskid48	23	101	47	39	2		3.5
paddler		6	12	3
Sergei	81	66.5	41.5	6	6	0.5	7
wld	135	43	28.5	6	3		1
psmitty	27	34.5	29	6.5			6
dxb	171.5	8	12	16	5.5	1
iamdoug	163	19	19	7	4
DevilSoprano	124	25	12	8.5	4	33		1		1	1
blackdragon	9	5	6	1
TheDemko	89.5	46.5	25	6.5	6		0.5
Creepy	103	25		27	5
Produce	129	23	17.5	6	3.5
jno		1	9

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Rank	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	9
Week 11 Brand Ranks 6-Week Running	TNA	Raw	SD!	ECW	Dragon Gate	WWE	ROH	PWG	SHIMMER	NWA
Points	1250.5	289	185	96.5	70	8.5	4	3	1	1
Votes	351	88	54	30	17	5	2	3	1	1
FPVs	74	9	12	7	4
G-B	70	24	11	1	5		1	2
Lucky	72.5	10.5	9.5	3	5	0.5
bd	65	11	15.5	12	2	1
firewoman	9	6		6
TheDead	105		6		5
snelson66	44	14	5		5.5
metallikid	49	15	19	8	5
ultimatejobber	50	34	30	1	2
Attitude Adjuster	78.5	18	6	10	1.5
TommyD420	52	1
needsmorecowbell	37	5
jetskid48	8	48.5	19.5	30	2	3
paddler
Sergei	54.5	22	17	1	6	3
wld	81	19	7.5		3	1
psmitty
dxb	92.5	3	6	2	5.5
iamdoug	88	9	6		4
DevilSoprano	82	12		0.5	4		3	1	1	1
blackdragon
TheDemko	57	16	11		6
Creepy	65	5		22	5
Produce	90.5	15	7		3.5
jno		1	9

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[National Champion Chris Cole]

Miz & Morrison are their own promotion?

[Batman]

Fixed. Typed D11 when I meant to type D111, so it took that column from a completely different part of the spreadsheet. Thanks for the catch, Chris.

[Mr. Dashbee]

Jun 19, 2008 16:32:51 GMT -5 Lucky said:

Only Doi and Yoshino are from Dragon Gate. Milano Collection A.T. and Taichi Ishikari are New Japan wrestlers.

Sad thing is, Milano used to be with Dragon Gate, but had a falling out. Too bad, too, because he had caught on in ROH, but that relationship seemed to end once his relationship with DG ended. I'm very excited to see him once again. I hope he brings the dog to TNA.