[Stu]

www.newsarama.com/film/080822-WBRebootSuperman.html

I'd love to see an adaptation done of Birthright.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

Please please please cast a Lois Lane that doesn't look 20. Bosworth is hot as fuck but I found it easier to believe a guy could fly more than she was a grizzled veteran reporter.

[punk/core]

the Man of Steel will be reintroduced on the big screen without regard to 2006’s Superman Returns.

That's seriously the best thing they could do. Superman Returns was a fucking pile of horse shit.

[Lucky]

I don't even like Superman and I say "YAY!" God Returns blew.

I still say they should just follow up the Smallville continuity and play off an existing fanbase, but meh.

[OpTard]

while there are elements of superman returns i thought were fucktardtastic, i still enjoy it everytime i watch it.

i don't think this is the right move for supes. at least not entirely.

i DON'T want to see a retelling of his origin or a story of him showing up for the first time. seriously. this is superman. he's had 5 movies, 3+ cartoons and 3+ live action TV series. people know who he is. starting over is a complete waste of time. i also don't want to see them drop routh. questionable script aside, i think he did a good job. i also don't think they need to get rid of singer, just be more clear that they don't want a creepy peeping tom superman who doesn't fight anyone. tell him it's about making an exciting superman movie, not jerking off into richard donner's mouth.

what i do think they should do is simply ignore what was fucktardtastic about returns. pretend the kid was never there. don't explain him away. just take the kid and cyclops' characters out of the picture and don't even reference them. let people just assume they left together. then just have a big villian attack and let them tear it up for 2 hours.

they're basically taking the hulk root here, but i would rather them worry less about being "not superman returns" and focus more on just making a good superman movie, which they still can do.

[Lucky]

If you need to tell your director not to make Superman be a peeping tom, to include some actual super hero stuff, and to make his own film that may appeal to a 2008 audience instead of a homage to campy 80s films then why are you retaining him? Is he really such a good technical director to make it necessary to hold his hand on half a dozen major story elements? I mean, he added a SuperKid. He made Lois Lane shitty. He had a giant Kryptonite Island. I'm sure there was more but I'm pretty sure I either fell asleep in the theater or started to think of things I rather be doing than sitting in that theater.

I mean, its one thing of Singer walks into the first meeting and says "Wow, I really missed the boat on that one, huh? Its ok, I see what went wrong. I'm with you." But if he has to be TOLD why SuperKid sucked and you need a fight then he shouldn't be directing the film.

That being said I do agree that I have no interest in a origin story and do think they should go the Hulk root and not the Batman one.

Who am I kidding? Superman is gay and I'll only see this movie if my friends drag me to it. And after they dragged me to Superman Returns and made me sit and watch Transformers I would hope they've learned.

[OpTard]

i said i don't think they NEED to get rid of singer, i didn't say "OMG THEY CAN'T GET RID OF SINGER HE RULZ!!!~~!~!!!!~!"

i don't think he's necessary, i just think he's a good director who happened to miss the mark but can learn from his mistakes.

[Lucky]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I love Usual Suspects, Apt Pupil was excellent, and the first two X-Men were strong films. But they're also really nothing like what I'd imagine a Superman film should be. So maybe he's just the wrong guy for the job. I mean, I'm not saying "GET THAT BASTARD OUT!" Like I said, if he displayed a basic knowledge of what went wrong the first time and seemed to have a better idea I'd go for it I suppose (you know, if I had any actual say in it). But if you can find someone else who seems to have a strong idea then "Superman Returns" is a pretty good argument for why you don't bring Singer back.

Same with Routh. I don't know that he did a BAD job but I certainly don't recall thinking he was a good part of a bad film. I won't be saying "ROUTH IS BACK?! ITS DOOOOOOOOMED!" But I'm not sure he adds anything that means anyone besides him should be sad if he loses the job.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

I'm not crazy about a reboot either - say what you want but I think the '77 Donner flick holds up well enough not to warrant a total reboot. That said, if they're showing footage from Krypton, Terence Stamp better be involved in some way.

[salmonjunkie]

I'm more pissed that Singer left the X-Men franchise for Brett Rainer to ruin so he could make that silly Superman movie (I didn't hate it, but it was still silly)

BTW, why are they calling the Green Arrow movie "Super Max" instead of "Green Arrow"?

[BTR]

I want more Super Toddler. I want Super Toddler fighting Toddler Doomsday. I want Toddler Doomsday killing Super Toddler, only to have Cyborg Toddler, STEEL Toddler, Eraditoddler, and TeenageToddler confusing the public about who is the real SuperToddler. I want SuperToddler and his Toddler Pal, Jimmy Olson. Plus, Lil' Lois Lane and Lil' Lana Lang. I want a Justice Toddler movie with Wonder Baby Girl and Martian ToddlerHunter. Give me Krypto, the Super Puppy.

Goo Goo Ga Ga!

[Lucky]

My impression with Super Max is since Green Arrow isn't a big name they were going to try to sell it as more of a Die Hard or Bourne Ultimatum film. He won't have a costume or mask and he doesn't have powers. So I figured they were trying to appeal to those guys like Moose and Tommy who see super hero film and say "NO!" We've seen films like Iron Man and Dark Knight that fans say would appeal to people outside of comic films but people who hate comic films still avoid them. I think they were trying to work around that since the name of the hero was small and the costume/powers were absent.

Or maybe not. Last I read the movie wasn't even happening but now I see its back in the mix titled "Green Arrow: Escape from Super Max."

[Stu]

I'm more pissed that Singer left the X-Men franchise for Brett Rainer to ruin

You know, I don't blame Ratner for X3's failings. I think he's a SOLID director, not an amazing one, and he came onto X3 after Matthew Vaughn left, and Fox weren't going to give him any more time than what was remaining to get the film done, and given the rush-job that it was, I still don't think it was a bad film. There was a lot that could be improved, but I certainly enjoyed it more than Superman Returns.

I want more Super Toddler. I want Super Toddler fighting Toddler Doomsday. I want Toddler Doomsday killing Super Toddler, only to have Cyborg Toddler, STEEL Toddler, Eraditoddler, and TeenageToddler confusing the public about who is the real SuperToddler. I want SuperToddler and his Toddler Pal, Jimmy Olson. Plus, Lil' Lois Lane and Lil' Lana Lang. I want a Justice Toddler movie with Wonder Baby Girl and Martian ToddlerHunter. Give me Krypto, the Super Puppy.

Goo Goo Ga Ga!

Go read Superman/Batman

[salmonjunkie]

Aug 22, 2008 16:56:48 GMT -5 Stu said:

I'm more pissed that Singer left the X-Men franchise for Brett Rainer to ruin

You know, I don't blame Ratner for X3's failings. I think he's a SOLID director, not an amazing one, and he came onto X3 after Matthew Vaughn left, and Fox weren't going to give him any more time than what was remaining to get the film done, and given the rush-job that it was, I still don't think it was a bad film. There was a lot that could be improved, but I certainly enjoyed it more than Superman Returns.

Well to be fair, I didn't hate X3, but it was a huge disappointment. And I do very much like Rush Hour 1 and 2, so I can't say Ratner is completely shitty or anything..

But still. I blame Singer leaving more than Ratner being there for X3's problems.

[Stu]

I also don't see what's so bad about Red Dragon, other than the fact it wasn't really necessary

[Byrntrigan]

I know it would NEVER EVAR haopen, but did anyone else ever read Kevin Smith's Supes script from the late 1990's?

That script was awesome and would tie in to them doing the JLA stuff they've been talking about.

At this point KILL Superman. Go out big with Doomsday - shit - I wrote a critical anaylsis paper in college on that damn graphic novel in a Honors English class (yes, I know. shocking. Spell check existed back then )