[creepy]

So is anyone else feeling uncomfortable that the WWE is using Intermittent Explosive Disorder as a storyline to explain why Orton is a hothead that beats his boss and justifies it? Since the WWE is storyline driven, predetermined, fake or whatever, should they really be using a disorder like this to justify one of the wrestlers behavior? He's going to sue if he gets fired? Can CM Punk sue the WWE for unsafe working enviroments due to them hiring a guy that potentially could just end his career because of an argument with this guy? Can Vince sue Orton for medical bills? Can the people who actually have IED sue the 'E for poor taste?

This reminds me of two different scenarios of poor taste. One is that fucking Comcast HD commercial that has people intimating an intervention because the guy is watching HD from Direct TV that doesn't have as many HD channels as Comcast. The guy is wondering why his family and friends are acting all somber like and a stranger is acting serious with him. Then...BOOM!.... "You could have way more HD!" or some shit. I don't get offended very easily at all, but I can see easily how people can be offended by that. Just poor, poor taste.

The other scenario is that pro football player last year that sued the Bucs, I think, because he was fired because he's an alcoholic. He missed practices and meetings because of his drinking and threatened legal action on the basis of his disease.


So can everyone in the WWE claim IED and just go apeshit on everyone and threaten legal action if they are disciplined? I don't get it. I didn't like that storyline last week and I thought Randy's acting was good to convey his emotions, but the whole reason why he was kicking the shit out of Vince, I thought, was stupid. The boss tells you to shut the fuck up and apologize and you beat the crap out of him? Then he acts like that was his split personality that did that. If I did that to my boss, then I'd be in jail, IED or no IED. And that's my problem with it. This IE Disorder is being trivialized because the WWE wants to use it in a storyline.

I don't know. I guess it doesn't matter that much to me, and I hadn't heard of IED before this, but dang, it seems pretty classless that the WWE would use this to explain why a guy beats the shit out of his boss and gets away with it. It's no necrophilia, it's no limo blowing up, it's no drugged up bride or miscarriage angle or anything that seems too "fake." It seems like this could be real if it wasn't a part of the show, and that's why it justs wrong with me, I guess.


OK, Lucky. Tear me a new one. I assume I'm overreacting.


Is that really fucking Carcetti is Cena's new movie?

[bdbdbd]

Considering they use concussions, with regularity, to write people out, this isn't all that shocking.

[Lucky]

They also parody mentally handicapped. Have horrible racist stereotypes. Its not like its the first time we've seen a wrestler adopt a real mental problem as a character trait. We've seen alcoholism used before. Schizophrenia (or something like it) is basically Kane's gimmick. And as bd said, they've trivialized an incredibly dangerous injury in concussions. They've taken what amounts to brain damage and something which real sports dread and made it a generic story plot used too often to even have impact.

I assume you've got some kind of story with IED. Someone you know or whatever that makes you more sensitive to it. I know when I saw Torrie Wilson's dad die on SD and medics tend to him while his wife Dawn Marie sobbed and screamed I thought it was "too real." Of course I had just seen a very similar scenario play out with my parents so I was sensitive.

I'd argue that WWE constantly crosses the line and steps into "too real." "Tasteless" happens more often but in many ways. "Too real" is because they think they deserve the right to do any kind of drama they want just like any other show. Never understanding that ANY show has limits on it based on his genre and history. 24 can't do slapstick comedy and The Office can't do serious rape and terrorism drama. At least not without the shows risking their audiences revolting. WWE wants it all and doesn't grasp the limitations on its genre. One of those is that the lines of reality are so blurred that sometimes things get "too real."

Although in this case it actually strikes me that Orton's probably full of shit and making an excuse to try and save his job. A basic heel act with a real term used to enhance the realism. It actually strikes me as fairly old school and NWA for some reason. Just the idea of a wrestler bringing out lawyers and filing an injunction and all that. He probably could have used a made up term because its kind of a MacGuffin. At least I assume. Who knows? Maybe he really will adopt some kind of mental illness gimmick besides "weak impulse control."

But, I mean... if I look around WWE right now there's so many preposterous things that I can't see the IED thing standing out. I mean, someone's trying to MURDER Jeff Hardy. Not injure or maim or beat. MURDER him. And I suspect whoever it is will be a face 12 months from now. That has gotten the "too real" label from me at OO a couple of weeks ago. This I just see as an old school heel move.

I would assume the "real" result of someone with this disorder in wrestling would be for that person to be taken out of wrestling for his safety and the safety of others.

[Mikey]

Before he was handed this lame ass shit probably 30 minutes before the show last night, Orton probably thought IED was a form of birth control.

[Jack Quinn]

I agree that the concept is in poor taste, but consider this, after his performance last night, bad taste or not, Randy Orton is currently the best heel in wrestling.

at least in my opinion

[Lucky]

Well... you know... before Shane went over at his expense.

[Jack Quinn]

well that was just stupid, but Orton is still the man

[Angle]

Jan 27, 2009 10:02:46 GMT -5 Jack Quinn said:

I agree that the concept is in poor taste, but consider this, after his performance last night, bad taste or not, Randy Orton is currently the best heel in wrestling.

at least in my opinion

I hate to admit to it, but you're absolutely right. Jericho and Edge are close, but right now, Orton's the top heel in the company.

[Tommy]

Jan 27, 2009 10:11:52 GMT -5 Lucky said:

Well... you know... before Shane went over at his expense.

Still, you got to give Orton credit; he was terrific last night, retarded booking aside.

[Angle]

Yeah he was. Its amazing how much he's improved from what he was a few years back.

[creepy]

No, Lucky, I'd never heard of IED before, so I'm not personally offended, and someone trying to OMG KILL somebody has been done to death so it's fair game. I guess. It just seems a little too much for me. Like using Hawk's booze problem. Now, if Orton really did have IED, then, while still in poor taste would be a little bit more ok. I guess? Hawk was an alcoholic and they used that. It was sad. Orton probably doesn't have this and they're using it. It's sad. If Hawk wasn't an alcholic it would still be sad, but ..............




Whatever. I'm not conveying my feelings very well on this. I suck. Disregard. I just think it's a little too "real" for my tastes.

[Lucky]

Jan 27, 2009 12:44:53 GMT -5 Tommy said:

Jan 27, 2009 10:11:52 GMT -5 Lucky said:

Well... you know... before Shane went over at his expense.

Still, you got to give Orton credit; he was terrific last night, retarded booking aside.

Hey, I've been sticking up for Orton for years. I like the guy.

[Mr. Dashbee]

Don't soap operas use mental disorders all the time for their stories? I know the lines are blurred in wrestling, but it's still a soap opera for men (for the most part), so this disorder is fine by me.

Well, it's kosher to me. It's still retarded booking. I still say they use this Storyline to get to Shane vs. Orton at WM25. I know he won the Rumble and all, but they've had the Rumble winner not challenge for the title at WM before. Shane vs. Orton would kick ass.

[creepy]

I don't care what scripted TV shows do. I guess I'm just a kayfabe kind of guy. We know it's scripted, but shit like this needs to be done behind closed doors. Wrestlers should call each other during the week instead of waiting a week to air out their differences. Talk privately in the back. I know it's entertainment, but when possible, I think kayfabe should still be tantamount. Don't demand that people take it as being real, but don't out and out say "We're fake". Let Orton be off the show and have Steph say what the deal with the Disorder and Lawyers stuff and that Orton is telling them their hands are tied and there's nothing they can do. Now, MVP can get a doctors note faked and beat everyone with lead pipes and whatnot and claim "IED! It's not my fault! I'm shouldn't be held to my own actions!" I think I'm getting off base now.



I know I'm sounding like an asshole/idiot, but the reasons I got into wrestling are all but gone and it's hard to let go......

[Ryan]

I dunno, I think it's kinda interesting. Also, the E's done a shitload more offensive storylines.

Also, hell yes it's Carcetti.