[Byrntrigan]

Raven and Shane Douglas return to TNA tonight, and Victoria shows up as well.

Raven looks very fit and much better then when he left. I for one hope Victoria gets back with Stevie, but I doubt it as TNA looks to be making her a face against Angelina Love.

[Pun]

I have it DVR'd. Please tell me Shane Douglas or Raven aren't Joe's new "advisor".

[Byrntrigan]

Nope.

I can tell you who will be Joe's advisor, as I'm sure it's pretty well known, but just in case...

SPOILER: Click to show

Taz

[Pun]

I knew that was the talk, but I hadn't read the spoilers to see if he had debuted yet. Have they filmed his debut already?

[Byrntrigan]

I think I read his 90 no compete ends by the time Slamiversery is.

[Demko]

I saw Raven and Victoria last night, but did I miss Shane Douglas somehow?

MTA: Ahh, apparently my DVR cutoff the end of the show. Dammit!

[Byrntrigan]

He came in after AJ raised Daniels hands, and left. he snuck in, wrapped a chain around his hand old school style and cracked Daniels making him bleed.

Left, jumped into the crowd, and laughed the way he does. Apparently he's back to wrestle, not be a road agent.

I can only hope this influx of talent (ECW) means that RVD is coming , or will...

I for one have high hopes Taz with Joe will be 8 kinds of kick ass.

[Pun]

Mine probably will to then. Is Douglas a new member of MEM?

EDIT - Nevermind then. Thanks to Byrne for answering my question.

[Byrntrigan]

No idea. Right now he attacked Daniels and that's it.

Lord, bring Flair in and he and Douglas can tag

[Lucky]

May 28, 2009 21:34:53 GMT -5 Byrntrigan said:

Raven looks very fit and much better then when he left.

I won't deny that he looks better than when he left but if that's "very fit" you should probably get your eyes checked. He was carrying a VERY noticeable belly of the Dudley persuasion. He's definitely looked worse at times during his last run but he still doesn't look good by any real measure.

[Mr. Dashbee]

Speaking of Dudley porportion gut, Douglas's makes Raven & Brother Ray jealous! Seriously, he looks horrible, in worse shape than when he was doing backstage interviews.

But if he puts over (Christopher) Daniels, then all is well.

Victoria looked fine, however. I heard they were calling her Tara, but it sounded like they called her either Victoria or "Toria" last night. I could see them using "Toria" to get around the copyright issues.

Love, Sky, Rayne & Toria all in the ring at the same time? Count me in.

[Lucky]

They called her Victoria. I'm reasonably certain they're fine to do that. They were identifying her and that's what she's known as. Saying "That's Victoria!" is just like saying "That's the wrestler known to you in WWE as Victoria!" The copyright issues come with advertising her and promoting their shows. So I assume that come next week or whenever she's "officially" part of the roster or booked in a match then we'll get "She was Victoria but now she's _____." But I don't think there's any real legal trouble with addressing her as Victoria in that case.

Although my sense is that a lot of the stuff they avoid isn't really a legal problem but Vince is lawsuit happy so he'll try and keep you from doing anything. But my impression has been that TNA/Panda Energy aren't really shy with going to court for frivolous lawsuits. I think its a scare tactic by WWE more than anything, trying to get companies so spooked by the power of WWE that they end up doing less than they legally can. But once TNA proves they're really not going to get spooked then its not really a problem having Team 3D yell "Get the tables!" from time to time even if you still can't use "Dudleyz" when advertising your show or selling merchandise.

[Byrntrigan]

May 29, 2009 12:19:39 GMT -5 Lucky said:

May 28, 2009 21:34:53 GMT -5 Byrntrigan said:

Raven looks very fit and much better then when he left.

I won't deny that he looks better than when he left but if that's "very fit" you should probably get your eyes checked. He was carrying a VERY noticeable belly of the Dudley persuasion. He's definitely looked worse at times during his last run but he still doesn't look good by any real measure.

Well, since I'm prone to hyperbole, he is "very fit" in comparison to where he was.

I read he lost about 80 pounds and is on medication for his glandular issue. He says he's loosing weight fast. Of course all things being equal, he also admits his drug problem caused the glandular problem as well.

[Pun]

I just watched the DVR. Re: Joe saying he was ordered to "kill" Angle was Taz's first opponent WWE, right? Or was it that Angle ended his winning streak?

[DevSop]

May 30, 2009 8:46:21 GMT -5 Pun said:

I just watched the DVR. Re: Joe saying he was ordered to "kill" Angle was Taz's first opponent WWE, right? Or was it that Angle ended his winning streak?

Angle was Taz's first opponent at a Royal Rumble and it was Taz who ended Angle's winning streak. There's also the connection that Angle was originally going to be brought to ECW to be fed to Taz as one of his sacrificial lambs (but the one who got the most offense against Taz as they planned a program for them) but the show they brought Angle to watch at the ECW Arena was the infamous crucifixion show that offended Angle. Years later, supposedly Angle still held a slight grudge against Taz for bringing him there. And it was played up before the first One Night Stand which had a big payoff when Taz choked out Angle on the ramp.

I noticed it the other night, but with Douglas coming in and feuding with Daniels, Joe supposedly being mentored by Taz, the segment at the end when Joe apologized to AJ and Daniels, but if they can find someone (Dreamer, RVD, etc.) to take the same role with AJ Styles, I'd love that. Kinda a true passing of the guard from old school to new.

The Path of Rage -> The Nation of Violence
The Franchise -> The Fallen Angel
The Whole F'n Show -> The Phenomenal One.