[Lucky]

Here's an idea, and I'm gonna just throw it out there. Maybe this is next June, maybe its 6 months from now, maybe its as soon as this one ends. But the idea crossed my mind so I'm going to get it down before I forget.

The idea actually crossed my mind last year and again months ago, but I never really thought about it. What about "territories" instead of "companies"? We do 1 draft with 24 people. It makes it super long and makes it super tough to put together a roster. But what if we had broken those 24 people into 2 groups of 12? 2 separate drafts run by me and (lets say for the sake of argument) Byrne. Same pools of talent available in both but when Flair gets drafted in Lucky's Draft he's still available in Byrne's.

The result would be a "territory" type notion where Mike and Solly both draft Flair and he works in both companies. Means deeper drafters and an easier job working stories.

I don't know what happens after that. How do showdowns work? Do we do 2 12 company tournaments and then a "Super Bowl"? And if so how do you decide what to do if someone works for both companies? But its an idea I find kind of interesting so I thought I'd say it. Maybe it will sound really super exciting, maybe it won't. Last year I posted a crazy idea I thought might get laughed off and it turned into the last year of drafts. So who knows?

[Lucky]

Also, you know what I totally forgot that I meant to include in this year's draft? Drafting "territories" and arenas. I REALLY wanted to do that too.

[Sportsguy]

I like it, I'd be in

[Lucky]

Another idea (and at this stage this is apparently just the dumping ground for ideas I had but haven't thought out) is along the lines of the territories. Its an idea I thought of last year when Eric and I were stealing people from each other... and when I was regularly talking with Dev or Thai about what we could do with each other's talents. What if we had "sister feds"? One company you could share X amount of talent with? Again, could add for a little flexibility to story telling and some unique twists... especially if we work out a system for what happens when companies who share talent face off.


ANOTHER IDEA! We do rounds in showdowns, right? What if you change up the card with each round? Could allow for storytelling and advancing stories. Forces strategy as you decide if you go all out on Show 1 or hold something back for Rounds 2 or 3 or the finals. And adds a twist to voting because Card A may not excite you as much as Card B... but Fed A could seem more interesting than Fed B and you really rather see what it can put together for the 2nd Rd.

That's actually something we could implement with this one since the Showdown isn't set yet or anything. But yeah... just me randomly saying the ideas that have been swimming through my mind.

[Lucky]

Jun 10, 2009 0:06:18 GMT -5 Lucky said:

especially if we work out a system for what happens when companies who share talent face off.

OHH! OHH! I GOT IT!

So in the matter of "sister feds" its simple. The guy that drafted the talent gets to use him, duh. So it becomes a situation where you can borrow Flair and AJ Styles to help you... but you better not make them so important that you can't adjust if you lose them in a round.

The twist comes when 2 companies who both drafted AJ face off. The easiest solution I can think of is to go with where he was drafted. So Angst drafts AJ 13th in Draft A. Byrne drafts AJ 18th in Draft B. Angst faces Byrne. Angst gets Byrne because he drafted AJ "first." Simple and "fair" enough, and maybe adds a little twist to draft strategy. And in the case of a rare tie in drafting position we could just go with a "possession arrow" system. Draft A gets the 1st call, Draft B the 2nd, A the 3rd, B the 4th.

I really probably should have thought about all this stuff before I started using this thread as my note pad.

[Lucky]

Also, I do believe I'll tweak the announcer rule next go around. Instead of 2 fulltime announcers 2 announcers for each match, but they had to have announced for real. So you can make Taz an announcer and have him wrestle... but another announcer needs to step in during his match (or you need to have a 3 man booth). Meanwhile The Rock can't announce because he never did (and those guest match things don't count). Flesh out the announcer pool a little more.

[DevSop]

For this year, I really like the continuation of cards for the showdowns. It really makes you work for matches and I know I won't have to come up with more than one personally, but it's an idea I really like.

[Mr. Dashbee]

Jun 10, 2009 0:06:18 GMT -5 Lucky said:

ANOTHER IDEA! We do rounds in showdowns, right? What if you change up the card with each round? Could allow for storytelling and advancing stories. Forces strategy as you decide if you go all out on Show 1 or hold something back for Rounds 2 or 3 or the finals. And adds a twist to voting because Card A may not excite you as much as Card B... but Fed A could seem more interesting than Fed B and you really rather see what it can put together for the 2nd Rd.

This. I like this.

Sister feds seems weird, a little too much collusion. I do like having 2 drafts with terriroties...you could have some idea stealing, but I think it could work.

[Fire-Babe]

That'd be great. People could steal Jericho from me in TWO places

[Chris Eco]

I like the two territory draft as well. As for the Super Bowl, I'm not sure how to deal with wrestler overlap (though I doubt there will be *too* many). Make all the overlap free agents and have a quick two-person draft? Leave them be and ignore real-world logistical problems?

As for sister companies, my one possible suggestion to make strategy a bit easier is the posting of brackets ahead of time. That way, you'd know how soon you could lose the talent and how likely that would be. It could also make the draft a lot more adversarial in terms of trying to screw your first couple head-to-heads, but that might also be fun.

New announcer rule makes sense; currently balancing announcer and wrestler importance is weird. Obviously, I'd be into continuation of cards and storylines--the only catch is it seems tricky to create a "building up" show good enough to win its own round.

[Attitude Adjuster]

Head spinning...can't comprehend...Lucky must have thought of this one after many, many beers.

[Jack Quinn]

I had an idea for next years wrestling draft. Team with someone to create a fed. The example we used in chat was that Tommy and I would be one participant, he got the odd numbered draft picks and I got the even numbers, or vice versa. Ideally, we would not go into the draft with any kind of plan, and he would draft whoever he wanted, and I would draft whoever I wanted, and when we were done we would piece together a card based on our two 20 man feds.

Seems like it could be interesting, and potentially allow MORE people to participate in the draft, as it is now, we have 24 people participating making the draft kind of long, but if everyone found a partner for the draft, you could conceivably have 48 people picking in the same amount of spots.

Then in the finals, the vote is on your combined card. I think it could be interesting, especially if you do random drawings for the parings. For example, based on last years draft, had Solly and I been on the same team, it would have been the WWF vs. Southern Territories. Some of those match ups could have been really interesting.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

Jun 10, 2009 11:49:16 GMT -5 Attitude Adjuster said:

Head spinning...can't comprehend...Lucky must have thought of this one after many, many beers.

Or being up for many, many hours.

[Lucky]

For the record, no beer last night. That's just (for lack of a better term) what my buddy used to call stream of consciousness writing. Me just typing shit down as it comes to mind without actually thinking. Normally I would have taken the time to look over the ideas, work out the kinks, and present in a clearer form. So lets do that now.

*Multiple Card Showdown: The notion here is simple, you are free to change up your card with each round. This allows you to do some storytelling and perhaps hold off "Wrestlemania" until the semifinals or finals. But also forces you to have to strategize if your preliminary cards are good enough to do so. You could also run the same show out there each round if you wish. This we could do with this draft's showdown if people like it.

*Territory Draft: Two separate drafts running concurrently with each wrestler allowed to be picked in both drafts. This allows stronger rosters to be build, drafts to run quicker, and in theory presents interesting scenarios in the showdown when talent is lost to companies. The rub here is figuring out how to decide who gets a talent when 2 companies who both drafted him face off in the showdown.

*Sister/Brother Territories: Two feds form an alliance to share talent conditionally. For the record I wasn't suggesting full reign here. I was thinking some sort of limit like "10 talents can be shared over 4 rounds, but a particular talent can only be shared twice." So I can borrow Ric Flair but only twice, leaving me with 8 options left. The other easy enough limit could be that if I borrow Flair from you, YOU can't use him. He can only work one company a round. Which would limit the sort of talents who get shared since anyone who is invaluable isn't going anywhere.

[Lucky]

Jun 10, 2009 11:59:46 GMT -5 Jack Quinn said:

I had an idea for next years wrestling draft. Team with someone to create a fed. The example we used in chat was that Tommy and I would be one participant, he got the odd numbered draft picks and I got the even numbers, or vice versa. Ideally, we would not go into the draft with any kind of plan, and he would draft whoever he wanted, and I would draft whoever I wanted, and when we were done we would piece together a card based on our two 20 man feds.

Seems like it could be interesting, and potentially allow MORE people to participate in the draft, as it is now, we have 24 people participating making the draft kind of long, but if everyone found a partner for the draft, you could conceivably have 48 people picking in the same amount of spots.

Then in the finals, the vote is on your combined card. I think it could be interesting, especially if you do random drawings for the parings. For example, based on last years draft, had Solly and I been on the same team, it would have been the WWF vs. Southern Territories. Some of those match ups could have been really interesting.

You were a Battle Bowl fan, weren't you?

[Jack Quinn]

Battle Bowl is a great idea. I just looked up the card though........yikes. Anytime Tex Slazenger and Shanghai Pierce are featured on your ppv, you are in trouble

[The Jewish Cunthead]

If anything, I like the option of being able to change your card after each round.

[Deadly]

I like the 2 territories thing. If the same guys is on both cards in the finals, so what? Let's just say the two cards take place on different nights if that makes it more "real".

[BTR]

Jun 10, 2009 12:13:46 GMT -5 The Jewish Cunthead said:

If anything, I like the option of being able to change your card after each round.

I do too. I'm actually playing around with some stuff. But out of curiosity, no matter if we change our cards, how are we doing this with 24 people? I was thinking

Round 1: Eight three way dances, top two go on from each
Round 2: Round of 16
Round 3: Round of 8
Round 4: Found of 4
Round 5: Finals

But I'm open for anything logical that doesn't put three-way matches at the end.

[DevSop]

I'm a big fan of that bracketing. It gives me a slight chance to move on.

[BC]

I'll lose. I always lose. It's a conspiracy I tells ya.

[Lucky]

Jun 10, 2009 22:28:57 GMT -5 BTR said:

Jun 10, 2009 12:13:46 GMT -5 The Jewish Cunthead said:

If anything, I like the option of being able to change your card after each round.

I do too. I'm actually playing around with some stuff. But out of curiosity, no matter if we change our cards, how are we doing this with 24 people? I was thinking

Round 1: Eight three way dances, top two go on from each
Round 2: Round of 16
Round 3: Round of 8
Round 4: Found of 4
Round 5: Finals

But I'm open for anything logical that doesn't put three-way matches at the end.

Fuck three way matches at the end. IF we do them it will be as you put it, in the 1st Rd and get them out of the way.

The thought I was playing with was to seed things with a silly little simulated match. Spinch's thing gave me the idea to hold a 48 wrestler Rumble with 2 wrestlers chosen from each fed. Seeding goes by results and the top seeds get byes for however many we need to make this work. But I don't have TNM, don't know if that works. and don't know if we'd like it. And I know its screwy and "unfair" to guys like Dev and GB drafting... different. But it was just the idea I had.

I hadn't put a hell of a lot of thought to it beyond that but if we don't do seeds/byes then yeah, your format is the best I got. Either way it seems like we need 5 Rds with the 1st Rd cutting us down to 16.

[Mr. Dashbee]

The "seeds" are still kinda determined using the method you described, so I don't feel I'm hindered in anyway. Plus, if you take, say Mr. T from my list, I should win and be the #1 seed. T is a total badass. The only way to eliminate him from the Rumble is to get him to eat a drugged cheeseburger.

Back in reality, I think the opening round 3-ways are the way to go. The other option is to have 12 first round matches, and the 4 people who lose by the least get into round 2. But I think the 3-way is the way to go. It's easier.