[Mikey]

Not all the votes were in, but we'd already gotten a majority - we will give expansion a shot this season. Since Dead and Fire had expressed interest back in May, I gave them the rundown, sent them invites and they accepted. You may welcome them here.

We will also hold the 2009 C&B Football Expansion Draft in this thread. Dead and Fire may select up to three players to set their keepers, granted that they:

• are not already on another C&B team's roster
  
  
• were not drafted in the first three rounds of last year's draft
  
  
• have previously been on an NFL roster (i.e. no 2009 rookies)
  
  
• ALSO, if an owner wishes to waive any picks in the expansion draft, he/she may do so with no penalty.
  

The players selected in three rounds of the 2008 Draft, and thus INELIGIBLE to be selected are:

1 BTR - LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, San Diego
2 Moose - Tom Brady, QB, New England
3 Gimmick - Brian Westbrook, RB, Philadelphia
4 Solly - Joseph Addai, RB, Indianapolis
5 Eric - Willis McGahee, RB, Baltimore
6 AA - Steven Jackson, RB, St. Louis
7 Thai - Frank Gore, RB, San Francisco
8 Psychofish - Peyton Manning, QB, Indianapolis
9 Grover - Reggie Wayne, WR, Indianapolis
10 THM - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB, Jacksonville
11 Kid - Willie Parker, RB, Pittsburgh
12 Psychofish (from Soprano) - Larry Johnson, RB, Kansas City
13 Moose (from Soprano) - Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Arizona
14 Kid - Terrell Owens, WR, Dallas
15 THM - Drew Brees, QB, New Orleans
16 Grover - Andre Johnson, WR, Houston
17 Psychofish - Laurence Maroney, RB, New England
18 Thai - Jamal Lewis, RB, Cleveland
19 AA - Chad Ochocinco, WR, Cincinnati
20 Eric - Ronnie Brown, RB, Miami
21 Solly - Marques Colston, WR, New Orleans
22 Gimmick - Carson Palmer, QB, Cincinnati
23 Soprano (from Moose) - Torry Holt, WR, St. Louis
24 BTR - Anquan Boldin, WR, Arizona
25 BTR - Santonio Holmes, WR, Pittsburgh
26 Moose - Edgerrin James, RB, Arizona
27 Gimmick - Lee Evans, WR, Buffalo
28 Solly - Philip Rivers, QB, San Diego *Drafted 4th 2007, carryover cost is Solly's 2nd round 2009 pick.
29 Eric - Matt Hasselbeck, QB, Seattle
30 AA - Antonio Gates, TE, San Diego
31 Thai - Steve Smith, WR, Carolina
32 Psychofish - Brandon Marshall, WR, Denver
33 Grover - Reggie Bush, RB, New Orleans
34 THM - Julius Jones, RB, Seattle
35 Gimmick (from Kid) - Roy Williams, WR, Detroit
36 Moose (from Soprano) - Tony Gonzalez, TE, Kansas City


This is the rest of the draft, with the rounds in bold indicating a player's draft cost. Since I'm also using this list as a guide to set the draft order, I have left in all players who have been kept by other teams - those are marked in red and are thus INELIGIBLE. (Yes, I realize that due to trades the owners of said players aren't correct on all counts. The players denoted as ineligible are correct, and until I set the draft order, that's all that matters.)

Ex. if Dead takes Randy Moss, he will lose his 3rd round draft pick in the forthcoming 2009 C&B Football Draft.

Ex. If Fire takes Tavaris Jackson, as if there's any reason she should, she would lose her 14th round selection.

Ex. If either owner selects an eligible player not listed here, the owner will lose his/her 15th round pick.


2009 DRAFT COST

Round 3
37 Soprano - Randy Moss, WR, New England
38 Kid - Darren McFadden, RB, Oakland
39 THM - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Carolina
40 Grover - Adrian Peterson, RB, Minnesota
41 Psychofish - Brandon Jacobs, RB, NY Giants
42 Thai - Marvin Harrison, WR, Indianapolis
43 AA - Minnesota, DEF
44 Eric - T.J. Houshmanzadeh, WR, Cincinnati
45 Solly - Dallas Clark, TE, Indianapolis
46 Gimmick - Chicago, DEF
47 Moose - Indianapolis, DEF
48 BTR - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Buffalo

Round 4
49 BTR - Clinton Portis, RB, Washington
50 Moose - Calvin Johnson, WR, Detroit
51 Gimmick - Matt Forte, RB, Chicago
52 Solly - Hines Ward, WR, Pittsburgh
53 Eric - Heath Miller, TE, Pittsburgh
54 AA - Roddy White, WR, Atlanta
55 Thai - San Diego, DEF
56 Soprano (from Psychofish) Marc Bulger, QB, St. Louis
57 Grover - Thomas Jones, RB, NY Jets
58 THM - Plaxico Burress, WR, NY Giants
59 Kid - Kellen Winslow, TE, Cleveland
60 Solly (from Soprano) - Laveranues Coles, WR, NY Jets

Round 5
61 Soprano - Marion Barber, RB, Dallas
62 Kid - Tony Romo, QB, Dallas
63 THM - Braylon Edwards, WR, Cleveland
64 Grover - Dwayne Bowe, WR, Kansas City
65 Psychofish - Donald Driver, WR, Green Bay
66 Thai - Chris Cooley, TE, Washington
67 AA - Kevin Smith, RB, Detroit
68 Eric - Chris Johnson, RB, Tennessee
69 THM (from Solly) - Rudi Johnson, RB, Cincinnati
70 Gimmick - Todd Heap, TE, Baltimore
71 Moose - Felix Jones, RB, Dallas
72 BTR - Chris Chambers, WR, San Diego

Round 6
73 BTR - Donovan McNabb, Black QB, Philadelphia
74 Moose - Jerricho Cotchery, WR, NY Jets
75 Gimmick - Bernard Berrian, WR, Minnesota
76 Solly - Seattle, DEF
77 Eric - Kevin Curtis, WR, Philadelphia
78 AA - Nate Burleson, WR, Seattle
79 Thai - Michael Turner, RB, Atlanta
80 Psychofish - Santana Moss, WR, Washington
81 Grover - Jay Cutler, QB, Denver
82 THM - Matt Schaub, QB, Houston
83 Kid - Fred Taylor, RB, Jacksonville
84 Soprano - Jeremy SHockey, TE, New Orleans

Round 7
85 Psychofish (from Soprano) - New England, DEF
86 Kid - Joey Galloway, WR, Tampa Bay
87 THM - Patrick Crayton, WR, Dallas
88 Grover - Javon Walker, WR, Oakland
89 Psychofish - DeAngelo Williams, RB, Carolina
90 Thai - Donte Stallworth, WR, Cleveland
91 AA - Jake Delhomme, QB, Carolina
92 Eric - BRETT FAVRE, QB, NY FAVRES
93 Solly - Eli Manning, QB, NY Giants
94 Gimmick - Matt Leinart, QB, Arizona
95 Moose - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Pittsburgh
96 BTR - Jon Kitna, QB, Detroit

Round 8
97 BTR - Vincent Jackson, WR, San Diego
98 Moose - Nate Kaeding, K, San Diego
99 Gimmick - LenDale White, RB, Tennessee
100 Solly - Nick Folk, K, Dallas
101 Eric - Randy McMichael, TE, St. Louis
102 AA - Ricky Williams, RB, Miami
103 Thai - Jason Campbell, QB, Washington
104 Psychofish - Jerry Porter, WR, Jacksonville
105 Grover - Owen Daniels, TE, Houston
106 THM - Alge Crumpler, TE, Tennessee
107 Kid - Green Bay Packers, DEF
108 Soprano - Deuce McAllister, RB, New Orleans

Round 9
109 Soprano - Brian Leonard, RB, St. Louis
110 Kid - Bobby Engram, WR, Seattle
111 THM - Reggie Williams, WR, Jacksonville
112 Grover - Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Pittsburgh
113 Soprano (from Psychofish) - DJ Hackett, WR, Carolina
114 Thai - Derrick Mason, WR, Baltimore
115 AA - Ray Rice, RB, Baltimore
116 Eric - Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Indianapolis
117 Solly - Maurice Morris, RB, Seattle
118 Gimmick - Robbie Gould, K, Chicago
119 Moose - Tony Scheffler, TE, Denver
120 BTR - Ahman Green, RB, Houston

Round 10
121 BTR - Ted Ginn, WR, Miami
122 Moose - Issac Bruce, WR, San Francisco
123 Gimmick - Drew Bennett, White WR, St. Louis
124 Solly - Reggie Brown, WR, Philadelphia
125 Eric - Kevin Walter, WR, Houston
126 AA - Brady Quinn, QB, Cleveland
127 Thai - Robert Meachum, WR, New Orleans
128 Psychofish - Jason Witten, TE, Dallas
129 Grover - Pittsburgh, DEF
130 THM - Jacksonville, DEF
131 Kid - Chester Taylor, RB, Minnesota
132 Soprano - Greg Jennings, WR, Green Bay

Round 11
133 Soprano - Matt Ryan, QB, Atlanta
134 Kid - Ahmad Bradshaw, RB, NY Giants
135 THM - Dallas, DEF
136 Grover - Sidney Rice, WR, Minnesota
137 Psychofish - Jabar Gaffney, WR, New England
138 Thai - Tim Hightower, RB, Arizona
139 AA - Mason Crosby, K, Green Bay
140 Eric - Chris Brown, RB, Houston
141 Solly - Mushin Muhammad, WR, Carolina
142 Gimmick - Detroit, DEF
143 Moose - Jeff Garcia, QB, Tampa Bay
144 BTR - Kevin Jones, WR, Chicago

Round 12
145 BTR - L.J. Smiff, TE, Philadelphia
146 Moose - JaMarcus Russell, QB, Oakland
147 Gimmick - Dustin Keller, TE, NY Favres
148 Solly - Kenny Watson, RB, Cincinnati
149 Eric - Chad Henne, QB, Miami
150 AA - James Jones, WR, Green Bay
151 Thai - Shayne Graham, K, Cincinnati
152 Psychofish - Vince Young, QB, Tennessee
153 Grover - Vernon Davis, TE, San Francisco
154 THM - Wes Welker, WR, New England
155 Kid - Bryant Johnson, WR, San Francisco
156 Soprano - Stephen Gostowski, K, New England

Round 13
157 Soprano - Chad Pennington, QB, Miami
158 Kid - Adam Vinatieri, K, Indianapolis
159 THM - Andre Hall, RB, Denver
160 Grover - Josh Scobee, K, Jacksonville
161 Psychofish - Tampa Bay, DEF
162 Thai - Eddie Royal, WR, Denver
163 AA - Selvin Young, RB, Devner
164 Eric - Rob Bironas, K, Tennessee
165 Solly - Earnest Graham, RB, Tampa Bay
166 Gimmick - Drew Stanton, QB, Detroit
167 Moose - Justin Fargas, RB, Oakland
168 BTR - Phil Dawson, K, Cleveland

Round 14
169 BTR - Philadelphia, DEF
170 Moose - pick vacated
171 Gimmick - pick vacated
172 Solly - Ben Obamanu, WR, Seattle
173 Eric - NY Giants, DEF
174 AA - Aaron Rodgers, QB, Green Bay
175 Thai - Derek Anderson, QB, Cleveland
176 Psychofish - Tavaris Jackson, QB, Minnesota
177 Grover - Ryan Grant, RB, Green Bay
178 THM - pick vacated
179 Kid - David Garrard, QB, Jacksonville
180 Soprano - San Francisco, DEF

Round 15
FA Eric - Steve Slaton, RB, Houston
FA Eric - Kyle Orton, QB, Denver
FA Psychofish - Joe Flacco, QB, Baltimore
FA Thai - Matt Cassel, QB, Kansas City
FA Solly - Antonio Bryant, WR, Tampa Bay
FA Kid - Derrick Ward, RB, NY Giants
FA THM - DeSean Jackson, WR, Philadelphia
FA Grover - Kurt Warner, QB, Arizona




2009 EXPANSION DRAFT

I just now flipped a coin to decide who will select first in the Expansion Draft. My beautiful girlfriend called "tails," and it landed heads. Since the female in this equation was incorrect, Dead has won the first selection in the draft. (Fire will be slotted ahead of Dead in the main draft as consolation.) This shall be short and sweet.

1. Dead
2. Fire
3. Fire
4. Dead
5. Dead
6. Fire


This draft will officially begin on Monday, July 6. Each person will have a 24 hour window to make his/her selection. However, picks may be (and are encouraged to be) made before that with no clock limit.

If anyone has any questions, ask me.

[The Canadian Content]

Sorry I didn't get back to you on the expansion, Mikey. I was undecided, but ultimately, I think the pros likely outweigh the cons.

And apropos of nothing, I really wish you hadn't posted 2009's first 3 rounds. Was there an award for "worst non-keepers drafted"? If so, how did I not win? Peyton (Payton? I just don't care) Manning, Laurence Maroney, and Brandon Marshall? I suck at life.

[Mikey]

Oh, come on.. that's half the fun!! Peyton's fine, and barring the off-field issues, Marshall wasn't bad. Maroney though? Yeah, that's bad. But hindsight and 20/20 and Ted Koppel and all that.

What was REALLY painful was going back to last year's trades, and seeing myself trade Drew Brees to Gimmick because I was "going all in on Matt Schaub," and then like 4 posts later Schaub's out for the season with a knee injury.

[Jack Quinn]

is that really worse than me taking Brady and him getting his knee broken six minutes into the season?

[Mikey]

No, it's not. But you had nothing to do with your bad luck, whereas I had the highest scoring player in the league and gave him away in order to go with another guy... who THEN immediately got hurt.

[Fire-Babe]

I assume someone will explain this to me step by step, right?

So I wait for Dead, yes? I have to go get a fantasy football magazine....

[Deadly]

Randy Moss

[Deadly]

Not that I'm planning on it, but what happens if one of us takes two people from the same round?

Also, when/where do we send the money?

[Mikey]

If you take two guys from the same round, you lose the next highest pick. So, if you take another guy with a 3rd round cost, you'll not only lose your 3rd from the Moss pick, but also your 2nd.

And re: money, I'll put a notice out on that sometime before the main draft.

[Deadly]

Thanks Mikey, good to know...

[Fire-Babe]

2. Marion Barber, RB, Dallas
3. Dwayne Bowe, WR, Kansas City

There, did I do that right?

[Deadly]

Jul 6, 2009 12:20:15 GMT -5 Fire-Babe said:

2. Marion Barber, RB, Dallas
3. Dwayne Bowe, WR, Kansas City

There, did I do that right?

And those guys were the reason I asked my question...

[Mikey]

Yes, that was done right. I didn't know Barber was even available!

[Deadly]

Kevin Smith
Matt Schaub

[Deadly]

Is it weird to already have buyer's remorse on Schaub?

[Mikey]

Thank you for taking Schaub, because now I won't have buyer's remorse when I would've inevitably taken him in the draft. Don't know if you saw my comment on the other thread, but I traded Drew Brees away last year because I decided that a hot Schaub was good enough where I could go get a nice return for Brees and still compete. I was one game out of first at the time... and I don't think I won another game all year, and Schaub got hurt the very next week.

So again, thank you.

[Fire-Babe]

Not if I can already feel myself regretting this...

6. Vince Young, QB, Tennessee

[Mikey]

Great work, rookies. That was quick and harmless. The 2009 C&B Draft Order is now updated & finalized.

Vince is a low-risk/high reward pick I think. Only costs you a 12 and has talent beyond that, and you know the Titans will give him another shot to earn that contract. If he busts again, it's a 12th round pick... no big loss.

[The Canadian Content]

Jul 6, 2009 13:16:43 GMT -5 Fire-Babe said:

6. Vince Young, QB, Tennessee

Just pray that he got over being crazy.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

Jul 6, 2009 13:32:52 GMT -5 Mikey said:

Great work, rookies.

Hey rookie... you were good.

[Deadly]

Jul 6, 2009 14:18:34 GMT -5 The Canadian Content said:

Jul 6, 2009 13:16:43 GMT -5 Fire-Babe said:

6. Vince Young, QB, Tennessee

Just pray that he got over being crazy.

This.