[creepy]

I'll give credit where credit is due. I don't remember a RAW that was as enjoyable or well thought out as last nights episode was.

Line(s) of the night:

Waiter: (Something about a Santinos big bulge)
Santino: God bless you and thank you for noticing!
(To Maria:)People notice these things.
Maria: Ohhh, I'm sure you enjoy him noticing.

The #1 contenders match that turned into a Triple Threat at SS was good. I was hoping that was what they would do, and I called it.

Not bringing out HHH was great, too. I was so hoping they wouldn't bring him out this week because it woulda made more sense last week as a kind of surprise. But teasing him being here this week and than swervin' it was a great heel tactic. King Booker is awesome.

I usually FF through most of RAW and only watch 4o minutes or so of it because it just seems so fucking lame. But they nailed it this week. I watched every segment. Maybe it was a medicore show but seemed great compared to the pile of shit episodes they have put on for the last few months.

Hopefully the trend will continue. ???

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Is this the same episode with Snitsky in the Main Event?

[DevSop]

Seriously, in the chat last night Crete tried defending bits of the Cryme Tyme skit and I woulda sworn she was watching a different week's episode. Last night will truly go down as a horrendous Raw. And not even cause it was anything specifically bad, but it might have been the biggest waste of 2 hours ever. There was nothing redeeming about the show. Kennedy and Carlito both looked like they'd rather be anywhere else than the ring. Simmons/Santino/Maria went from a pretty high point the last two weeks to absolutely fucking played out last night in the matter of 1 skit-let alone 3. Way to waste a London/Kendrick match with the champs on a horrible Cryme Tyme skit. If you're gonna steal anything from the champs, at least steal the fucking belts. Snitsky's undefeated only if you don't count the tons of matches he lost to Matt Hardy and Kane, god knows who else. Vince and Melina's skits are just downright vomit inducing. I don't fucking care how virile you think you are Vince...just die. I would complain about how bad Tazz is, but he's always better than Lawler and Tazzwell giving Bookah free reign to beat the shit out of JR was good...too bad Bookah couldn't follow through.

Speaking of, I'm sorry...there was one good thing about Raw and it's the same thing that's always good about Raw and that's King Booker. Last year it was Edge who was the shining point, this year it's Booker.

[Lucky]

I think the 1 good thing on RAW was Santino. I thought he and Maria were very amusing. Simmons was lame and the joke is more than played out. He hurt the segments for me with his completely predictable limes. Its not witty, WWE. We get it. You have a rhyming dictionary. We came up with all of these words 2 weeks ago.

Booker is great and all but I don't recall him doing anything beyond saying "Tazzwell." Not his fault. He had nothing to do. But while Booker may be good enough for me to watch him doing nothing I'm not sure he's good enough to make me enjoy watching him do nothing.

The Cryme Tyme thing was BS and I was right there with Dev on not seeing what Crete was watching. After months of Creepy seeming to hate every wrestling show he's watched I equally as lost as to this one being the one he didn't feel compelled to rant about and even complimented as a hit. Go figure.

I though it was an utter waste of time. I didn't watch or didn't pay attention to RAW the prior 3 weeks and I should have done the same this week. Hope I have something better to do next week at this pace. And I went to sleep during the Main event. Actually I turned on the Yankee game and fell asleep during it, but same difference.

[creepy]

Besides the Cryme Tyme stuff, which at least was during a match, not 5 minutes of out and out waste of time, and a Snitsky in the main event, this wasn't bad. Coulda been a lot worse. The WWE tries to push these boners like Mark Henry, Khali, even Umaga (when he first started), and you guys are mad about Snitsky having a one shot deal? Of course they are growing to throw that guy down our throats. Vinnie has a hard on for the big man. Who's the biggest heel on RAW now? And of course Orton was coming out, that was seen a mile away. Lucky we didn't get a 3 month program between the two.

Carlito and Kennedy was predictable, but servicable. Nothing great, but I'm sure most people around here don't particularly like either guy, so whatev.

The Vince stuff was kept down to a minnimum after he controlled the first half of the show.

JBL woulda been cool. Ross and JBL could bitch about what's better, Texas or Oklahoma. JBL the next RAW color man?

Any show with Benjamin, Rednecks, and L&K is a step up from the Highlanders and Cryme Tyme wrestling.

I would rather see the dining room stuff, even if it did have Ron Simmons continue his heel turn by making me hate him, than a dating game or American Idol rip off. It was a better waste of time.

And, of course, Booker is great.

Compared to the last months shows, this was like a blessing. It wasn't '98 strong, but it was strong for Aug '07. Lighten the heck up peoples, coulda been way worse.

[Jack Quinn]

coulda been way better too.

I barely paid attention, and I don't feel any worse for it. I am sick and tired of Booker, he has gone from "passively don't really care" to "outright hatred" in just a few months. I seriously don't get what people see in him, the schtick was old after Harley Race, and Booker isn't doing anything to make it fresh or original. Oh, and all this to bring back "King of Kings" HHH? Fuck that, stay on the shelf trips, I just don't care.

Everything else? Cryme Tyme is just lame, and I don't care. K&L, the one team that COULD have compelling matches with the champs takes second fiddle to some morons auctioning off a hat, the Simmons-Santino crap was just that, crap. I don't give a damn about any of this, and you did nothing to steer me in the direction of caring last night at all.

What else? Orton vs. Cena? Don't care. Snit in the ME? Don't care, I am just surprised Cena didn't get the win before Orton interfered. A Diva battle royal? Well thank you E! More reason not to care. Kennedy vs. Carlito vs. Umaga, holy christ that is boring (to me) Kennedy has already worn out his welcome for me, I have always disliked Carlito, and a face Umaga makes no fucking sense.

Then there is the Vince garbage, yeah I can't be compelled to care about that either.

All in all, if this was the E's attempt to sell me on arguably their 3rd biggest PPV of the year, they failed miserably. I could get an invite to see this for free, and I wouldn't go, I sure as hell am not going to shell out $40 for it.

[Lucky]

creepyjackalopeeye said:

Compared to the last months shows, this was like a blessing. It wasn't '98 strong, but it was strong for Aug '07. Lighten the heck up peoples, coulda been way worse.

Oh crap. Concrete hijacked Creepy's account! Haven't you kinda ripped apart every TNA, RAW, and ECW you've talked about here and on OO since you showed up? Just seems like you choose now to lighten up and lower your standards.

I get it. The show was servicable. There was useless and uncompelling stuff but there was a silver lining within it. Snitsky was in the main event but at least he won't be a world title contender for the next 3 months. Carlito/Kennedy was nothing special but it wasn't bad either and it might lead to a good IC 3 way. L&K vs C&M was a waste but at least Cryme Tyme didn't get their own segment and maybe it leads to something. I get it.

But its all compromise. RAW did not entertain me. Only once or twice did it entertain me at all. Now if I could get excited for a L&K vs C&M rematch and a TWGTT vs Cody/??? match and a Kennedy vs Carlito vs Umaga match, fine. But it doesn't make RAW last night entertaining. It just makes it a means to an end. Because it wasn't as bad as some past episodes and might have some thought process to it doesn't really make it good.

But I don't get the argument both you and Crete have made that Cryme Tyme was better because it was during a match. Crete made this same basic argument a few weeks ago when they did their first auction and she said "at least its wrestlers and not diva search crap." Its like if you tie crap in some way to wrestling that gives it basic worth. I don't get that and it doesn't work for me. I have no desire to see Simmons vs Marella and yet that was my favorite part of the show.


"Could have been worse" can still equal "not worth my time." And I feel like that was what we got last night.

[creepy]

When MKid asked me last week why I still watch, It made me wonder. Sure, I still want to be entertained, and wrestling still entertains me more than crappy g@me shows, network TV stuff and doing other entertaining things, but why do I keep watching if I just take dumps all over the shows every week? So I decided to just watch the show instead of trying desperately to "fix" the problems. I can't "fix" the problems, I can only watch and enjoy, watch and criticize, or not watch.

I don't like the option of not watching. I've been very critical for a loooong while now. I'm trying to see the positives in this......


What the fuck am I saying?!?!?!?!?1 I'm just became one of the assholes that I hate; just watching and being entertained because "they" tell me to watch and to be entertained. Dear Jesus.

I guess I just wasn't as offended this week. I'll try to watch next week in a bitchier mood. Oh, wait, I'm starting back up school next week. 11 am tuesday morning class is gonna come early.