[Pun]

Yes, I'm starting this thread this early. Fuck you!

As of right now....

1) Dustin Pedroia (F1)
2) Starlin Castro (F2 - 15th round)
3) Anthony Rizzo (25th round)
4) Bryce Harper (24th round)
5) Yu Darvish (23rd round)

[The Jewish Cunthead]

A keeper thread in July. Jesus Christ.

[Sparty]

So when are these due?

[Attitude Adjuster]

February 1 is the deadline for Keepers. Can't believe we're talking baseball already. Here's the rules:

Keeper Rules
• Each owner may keep 5 players total.
• The first 5 rounds of each draft are protected and those players can not be kept.
• Each Keeper costs a draft pick based on where he was drafted. The pick moves up 2 rounds every season, including the first. Ex: A 13th round draftee would cost an 11th round pick in his first year as a keeper.
• Any Keeper not drafted is treated as a final round draftee. Ex: In a 27 round draft an undrafted Keeper will cost a 25th round pick.
• A player loses Keeper elligibility the season after costing a 1st round pick and reenters the draft pool (unless franchised).
• All rules apply regardless of owner. If a Keeper is traded or released his new owner picks up where the last left off.
• If the Keeper Cost occurs in a round where the owner has 2 picks (due to trade) he is penalized his original pick, not the acquired one, regardless of placement.
• If the Keeper Cost occurs in a round where the owner has traded out his original pick but acquired a 2nd he will be penalized that pick. Cost will not move up a round unless there are no more picks in that round. If there are 2 picks, neither original, he will lose the lowest.
• If the Keeper Cost occurs in a round in which the owner has no more picks then the price moves up one round, but will be considered its original round for the sake of longterm keeper cost. Ex: A 13th Round cost with no 13 round picks then costs a 12th round pick. For the purposes of next year's Keeper Cost, however, it will be considered a 13th Round pick. The next year the keeper will cost an 11th Round pick, not a 10th.
• You have a maximum of TWO franchise tags. You are NOT required to use either. An F1 tag deems a player as your "franchise player" and allows you to keep a player at NO COST for the following season. However, once you tag a player as an F1, if you take that tag off of said player, he is automatically returned to the draft pool for the following season. An F2 tag allows you to keep a player at half cost (only a ONE round penalty). You may change tags on a player from an F2 to an F1, but like the F1 tag, if you decide to take the F2 tag coompletely off of a player, that player is returned to the draft pool.
• If, by trade or other such shenanigans, you wind up with multiple F1 and/or F2 players on your roster at the end of a season, all tags and tag rules still apply and you must trim your roster back to a maximum of only one F1 and one F2 player when declaring keepers.

[Mikey]

I've got Allen Craig and Brett Anderson available for the next week. They each will cost you a 25th round pick. LOTS OF VALUE AT BARGAIN BASEMENT PRICES.

* Craig is ranked 55th overall on whatever ESPN ranking is up right now. 9th best 1B, 18th best OF. That's 6th-8th round value.

* Anderson is ranked 121st and the 35th ranked SP. That's 10th-12th round value, though you probably bump that up for the whole C&B pitchers' premium.

You can have either guy for a 15th round pick. Hit me up.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

Jan 17, 2013 18:21:18 GMT -5 Mikey said:

Hit me up.

Can we spin the wheel?

[The Jewish Cunthead]

I have to choose from this bunch. Some great values here.

Carlos Gonzalez (19)
Pedro Alvarez (25)
Phil Hughes (25)
Jonathon Niese (18)
Lance Lynn (25)
Matt Harvey (25)
Mark Trumbo (16)
Jesus Montero (25)
Will Middlebrooks (25)

[Sportsguy]

I"m out on baseball this year guys. Sure you can find a replacement owner for me. Good luck

[DevSop]

Just for reference sake, the last few rounds of the draft aren't updated so I don't want anyone getting caught with a couple round mistake with keeper cost. I just looked at my team and originally had Moustakas as undrafted but he was actually taken in the 21st.

And here are some of my options, almost all of them available as I need to get some extra picks back that I traded:

Adam Dunn - drafted in 10th
Aaron Hill - undrafted
Evan Longoria - kept in 19th last season (17th this season with no tag)
Adam Jones - drafted in 6th
Carlos Beltran - drafted in 11th
Ike Davis - drafted in 10th
Mike Moustakas - drafted in 21st

Kenley Jansen - drafted in 12th
Brandon League - drafted in 17th
Gavin Floyd - drafted in 20th
Cliff Lee - kept in 18th last season (will cost 16th this season with no Franchise tag)
Ryan Dempster - drafted in 19th
AJ Griffin - undrafted
Chris Tillman - undrafted
Joel Hanrahan - drafted in 7th
Dan Haren - F1 keeper
James Shields - kept in 8th last season (will cost 6th next season with no Franchise tag)
Jarrod Parker - undrafted
Kris Medlan - undrafted

[DevSop]

Jan 17, 2013 23:46:21 GMT -5 Sportsguy said:

I"m out on baseball this year guys. Sure you can find a replacement owner for me. Good luck

Finding a replacement will be harder than you think. Baseball's always tougher to find people for.

[Attitude Adjuster]

We need a replacement owner, so everyone troll around. The new owner has the choice of taking over SportsGuy's team or starting fresh. If the new owner starts fresh, he gets five supplemental Keeper picks after everyone has made their Keeper picks, and that owner gets the first draft pick.

[Road Warrior Shark]

It's possible I'd be interested in this

[Lou]

I'm in again. No idea what my keeper options are.

[Sparty]

Edwin Encarnacion (25) - 42 HR, 110 RBI and 13 SB. Breakout year.
Justin Verlander (16) - No explanation needed. Will have to be absolutely blown away to trade him.
Wilin Rosario (25) - Great young catcher who hit 28 HR as a rookie.
Fernando Rodney (25) - 0.60 ERA, 48 saves. As cheap as they come.
Troy Tulowitzki (10) - Like JV, will have to be blown away to trade him.
Brian McCann (16) -- We all know how thin catchers are. Need one? McCann is a great option.
Curtis Granderson (8/F2) -- Yeah, BA sucks, he strikes out a lot, but he's good for 40 HR, 100 RBI and at least 100 R each year.
Josh Willingham (18) -- 35 HR, 110 RBI in only 145 games.
CC Sabathia (F1) -- Still a top-flight pitcher. Has won 19, 21, 19 and 15 games the last four years with a ton of Ks. Highest ERA in that time is 3.38.
Jim Johnson (18) -- 51 saves, 2.49 ERA last year.
Max Scherzer (4) -- Starts out slow every year, but rebounded for 16 wins, a 3.70 ERA and 231 K's. Expensive, but a stud. Low price because of his keeper cost.
Marco Scutaro (21) - SS, 3B and 2B eligible and we all know what he did last year.
Brandon Morrow (5) - 10-7 with a 2.98 ERA despite missing a lot of time due to injury. Great potential. Low price because of his keeper cost.

A lot of great options. I'm open to trading any of them for picks.

[Road Warrior Shark]

Soliciting any comments/advice

I am keeping SG's franchise and choosing Keepers from there.

Here are the Keepers I am considering.

Fredie Freeman 1B, 23rd cost.
Alex Avila C, 23rd Cost
Austin Jackson CF, 22nd Cost
Jeremy Hellickson SP, 21st Cost
Neftali Feliz P, 20th Cost
Miguel Montero C, 13th Cost
Yoenis Cespedes OF, 13th Cost
Ardlis Chapman RP, 8th Cost
Hiroki Kuroda SP, 6th Cost
Johnny Cueto SP, F1

Now If I keep Chapman or Kuroda, I'll likely slap the F2 on them.

I also doubt I keep both catchers

Might be willing to wheel and deal if there's someone you want.

[Attitude Adjuster]

I'd probably go with Freeman, Avila, Feliz, Cespedes and Chapman. I'd dump Cueto and the F1 tag. Remember that if you put an F1 or F2 tag on a player and then take it off, he goes back in the draft pool. You can't "undo" a franchise tag.

[Road Warrior Shark]

Jan 21, 2013 17:01:46 GMT -5 Attitude Adjuster said:

I'd probably go with Freeman, Avila, Feliz, Cespedes and Chapman. I'd dump Cueto and the F1 tag. Remember that if you put an F1 or F2 tag on a player and then take it off, he goes back in the draft pool. You can't "undo" a franchise tag.

I guess I'm either misunderstanding or maybe I just look at the F1 tag different.

Here's a question. If I keep Cueto this season. He bombs. I drop him. Next season, I can name someone else as an F1, correct?

[DevSop]

Jan 21, 2013 13:20:46 GMT -5 Road Warrior Shark said:

Soliciting any comments/advice

I am keeping SG's franchise and choosing Keepers from there.

Here are the Keepers I am considering.

Fredie Freeman 1B, 23rd cost.
Alex Avila C, 23rd Cost
Austin Jackson CF, 22nd Cost
Jeremy Hellickson SP, 21st Cost
Neftali Feliz P, 20th Cost
Miguel Montero C, 13th Cost
Yoenis Cespedes OF, 13th Cost
Ardlis Chapman RP, 8th Cost
Hiroki Kuroda SP, 6th Cost
Johnny Cueto SP, F1

Now If I keep Chapman or Kuroda, I'll likely slap the F2 on them.

I also doubt I keep both catchers

Might be willing to wheel and deal if there's someone you want.

Freeman, Avila, Cespedes, Chapman, Hellickson probably for me. I'd consider Cueto instead of Freeman if you feel comfortable losing a high pick. I'd also consider making many trades with me.

[Road Warrior Shark]

Jan 21, 2013 18:31:33 GMT -5 DevSop said:

Jan 21, 2013 13:20:46 GMT -5 Road Warrior Shark said:

Soliciting any comments/advice

I am keeping SG's franchise and choosing Keepers from there.

Here are the Keepers I am considering.

Fredie Freeman 1B, 23rd cost.
Alex Avila C, 23rd Cost
Austin Jackson CF, 22nd Cost
Jeremy Hellickson SP, 21st Cost
Neftali Feliz P, 20th Cost
Miguel Montero C, 13th Cost
Yoenis Cespedes OF, 13th Cost
Ardlis Chapman RP, 8th Cost
Hiroki Kuroda SP, 6th Cost
Johnny Cueto SP, F1

Now If I keep Chapman or Kuroda, I'll likely slap the F2 on them.

I also doubt I keep both catchers

Might be willing to wheel and deal if there's someone you want.

Freeman, Avila, Cespedes, Chapman, Hellickson probably for me. I'd consider Cueto instead of Freeman if you feel comfortable losing a high pick. I'd also consider making many trades with me.

My thought is Cueto won't cost me a pick at all. Isn't that what an F1 is? I can't see NOT keeping a top 20 pitcher that costs me nothing. Again, unless I'm reading the F1 wrong...

[DevSop]

That is correct. My point was that in keeping Cueto and Chapman, you're definitely losing a single digit pick for a keeper. If you trade one you can keep the franchise tag on Cueto or move it to Chapman.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

I would go Freeman, Avila, Cespedes, Chapman, and Cueto. Like you said, getting Cueto for free is pretty nice.

[Pun]

Current keepers:

1) Dustin Pedroia (F1)
2) Starlin Castro (F2 - 15th round)
3) Anthony Rizzo (25th round)
4) Bryce Harper (24th round)
5) Jeff Samardzija (23rd round)

[Road Warrior Shark]

Thanks all for the suggestions.

My keepers:

Fredie Freeman: 1B (23rd cost).
Alex Avila C 23rd Cost
Yoenis Cespedes OF 13th Cost
Ardlis Chapman RP (F2, 9th Cost)
Johnny Cueto SP (F1)

Flip Flopped between Avila and Montero several times. Still might change it.

[Attitude Adjuster]

The F1 tag rule is this:

An F1 tag deems a player as your "franchise player" and allows you to keep a player at NO COST for the following season. However, once you tag a player as an F1, if you take that tag off of said player, he is automatically returned to the draft pool for the following season.

So if you remove the F1 tag from a player, you lose the player. You never lose the F1 tag for your team. You can move the F1 tag around all you want, but once you remove the tag from a player, you lose the player.

Owners have different opinions on the F1 tag, which is great for league strategy. I like to evaluate my players on a year-to-year basis, and rarely have Keepers that cost me a pick higher than Round 10. In a few years I'll have to make a decision on Hamilton and Lincecum, but putting an F1 tag puts a restriction on a guy that I'd rather not have.

[Attitude Adjuster]

My Keepers:

Tim Lincecum--15th round cost
Josh Hamilton--15th
Brett Lawrie--23rd
Jonathon Lucroy--25th
Dan Straily--25th