[DevSop]

We're gonna do both pretty much back to back but I want to know what people want to do first. There will be certain set aspects we have to draft. Once we figure out how many people join I will decide on team size and number of teams.

Off the top of my head it will be something like:
2 comic book characters
2 movie characters
2 television characters
1 video game character
1 book character
10-20 wild cards

Thinking something like 4 teams of 6-8 and I may allowed varied team sizes but you must use the same number of people everyone else does with minimum team sizes. So you can have a team of 5, 7, 8, and 8. We can discuss all that in the sign-up/discussion threads but for now, heroes or villains first remembering we'll be doing both.


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DevSop
Sportsguy
Fishy
Doug - if we avoid the first week of Jan
Solly
Deadly - if it's not too big
Dalem
Eric - if it's not too big
Mayhem
Angle
Cam
Chris
Demko

[Sportsguy]

Just a suggestion, don't make it specific slots like you have in mind. Just make it 32 (or however many) fictional characters. I don't read comics, and I only play sports video games so I'd be totally lost there.

[DevSop]

That's kinda the point SG. These drafts used to be about expanding horizons a bit. It doesn't take much to research some characters to fit the slots. That's also why I made the slots so small this way it wouldn't be a huge deterrent. Everyone knows 2 comic book characters; there's enough movies/TV shows based on them now to have an idea. I was originally going to make the slots larger, but I think 2/2/2/1/1 and then however many wild cards is a nice balance.

If there were no slots, we've basically done all these drafts before and people wind up taking the same people over and over again. I know when we did the first comic team draft it opened up a lot of new things to me and now I'm more into comics than I was back then. I learned more about musicians when we did both the festivals and the build a bands.

[Sportsguy]

Those are fair points. What the hell, I'm in, and I say villians first.

[The Canadian Content]

Villains for me.

And to turn this into a discussion thread, which you specifically said it wasn't, Sop: if there's crossover for a character (i.e., appeared in both a comic book and a movie), is it up to the drafter to decide what slot that character goes in, or is it where the character first appeared?

[DevSop]

I think I'll use common sense. Buffy is a TV character. Batman is a comic character. If it's a 50/50 borderline case, you can slot them wherever but you can not slot Hulk into a TV role. My hope is people (Gator) don't try to find loopholes because I'm not going to be a stickler for slots it's just a general thing to try and make people think a bit outside the box.

[DevSop]

Also, since it has happened this will be the sign-up/discussion thread and you can vote as well. Remember, we're doing both so if you prefer villains, it might be better to do heroes first as sort of a practice round.

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DevSop
Sportsguy
Fishy
Doug - if we avoid the first week of Jan
Solly

[Sportsguy]

Not to go all Gator on you Dev, but why COULDN"T you slot Hulk into a tv slot? There was an Incredible Hulk tv show

[Doug]

because he was a comic character first, and it makes it kind of cheap for someone (like me) to go, yay, I get to take a comic book character instead of a TV/Movie guy.

I'm thinking the rational is to look into some different mediums than you normally would. For example, i'm a comic/video game guy, but don't really watch many televsion shows or movies.

[The Jewish Cunthead]

I'll come up with two comic book characters. I'm in.

[DevSop]

Bump

[DevSop]

Dec 5, 2012 11:31:33 GMT -5 DevSop said:

Bump

[Deadly]

Villains for sure. And I'm probably in, it just depends on how big this draft is. The bigger it is, the less likely I'm in.

[DevSop]

Dec 6, 2012 11:00:42 GMT -5 DevSop said:

Dec 5, 2012 11:31:33 GMT -5 DevSop said:

Bump

[townofdalem]

I'm in

[Eric O'Mac]

I might do it for the heck of it, but basically under the same restrictions as Dead.

Also, I like the idea of being able to slot characters who might fall under two or more categories as you see fit. The more flexible, the better. I don't care that Hulk was in the comics first, if I like him better as my TV guy, then I would want the option to do that. I'd also accept the fact that no one for vote for me if that happens, but them the breaks.

[DevSop]

The point isn't to circumvent the slots and Incredible Hulk in a TV slot does that. The key would be to try and find new characters you might not know a lot about. Also, with at most 2 slots per genre, I think it will be easy enough to not try and find loopholes. I'm trying to make it as open to people while still going back to the original goal of these drafts.

Right now, I'm hoping for maybe 5 teams per person drafting, we'll do 32 rounds I think and your teams can be between 5 and 9 people per team. This can still de changed as I'm trying to figure out the #s.

[Eric O'Mac]

I understand the point is to discover new characters, but if I'm going to do this draft, I don't know how much research I'm going to be able to do. That's why I'm all about flexibility. If I can do some research, great, but if not, I can stick with what I know.

[Road Warrior Shark]

Dec 8, 2012 14:18:29 GMT -5 DevSop said:

we'll do 32 rounds.

32 rounds? thats 4,294,967,296 teams in a single bracket. More if you have three way votes.

You'll crown your winner sometime in the year 2265

[Deadly]

Seconding Eric's motion.

Also, if we're at 32 rounds I'm probably out. With 12 drafters that's nearly 400 picks. Not sure I'm that into it.

[Eric O'Mac]

Dec 8, 2012 15:15:06 GMT -5 Deadly said:

Also, if we're at 32 rounds I'm probably out. With 12 drafters that's nearly 400 picks. Not sure I'm that into it.

Seconded. I like the idea, but as someone who would do this primarily because it would be something to do, I'm not sure if I would continue to have the interest to dive into it this deep.

MTA: Just going to say that I don't know how often I would cross-over and pick a primary comic guy as a movie character, especially since there are a lot of great movie only characters out there. Just saying I'd like the option, that's all.

[DevSop]

I just looked at all the previous hero/villain drafts we've done. The comic drafts individually have been on average 200 characters. The original fictional hero draft was 300 people and I know there were multiple post-draft teams created. If we can't think of 32 characters from the history of movies, television, books, video games, comic books and any other medium you can imagine, I'm not sure what to say.

I might be willing to compromise down to 4 teams with 28 rounds and teams of 5-9 per team. But I'd really prefer 5 teams, but that also depends on exactly how many people sign up as the more people that do join, the less I'd be okay with drafting for each person.

With regards to the slots, right now there are 8 people, if we can't think of 16 specific comic book characters or 16 specific tv characters without resorting to forcing Incredible Hulk into a TV role, again I don't know what to say except I don't think I'm going to allow something that extreme. I don't want to say where a character was originally created because as an example Harley Quinn is a comic book character in my mind, but she first appeared on TV before comics. I'd be willing to accept her in either but Incredible Hulk has done over 1000 comic book issues probably and maybe 40 tv episodes. Let's be fair.

[Deadly]

Dev, it's not that I can't imagine 400 characters. It's that I don't want to.

This is your draft, though. Run it how you see fit.

[Eric O'Mac]

OK, so the Hulk is out as a TV character. What about as a movie character? Because he hasn't had as many movies as comics, but I really enjoyed The Hulk in the Avengers. Is he just simply a comic character because you want him to be, but Harley Quinn can double dip because it suits what you want?

I do kind of get what you are saying, but what I'm saying is basically put a stop to any loopholes now. Either people can slot people where they want if they are in two or more different areas, or they can only be eligible for the one category they originated with. And again, it doesn't mean I think this will be that big an issue, but it's more about getting things figured out ahead of time. I don't see why allowing people to be flexible with those who fall in different categories is a bad thing, and if people think it's stupid, it'll reflect when it comes time to vote.

[DevSop]

If you draft Hulk, you're not limited to just his comic appearances if thats where you slot him. You draft Hulk, you get Hulk but he's not a movie character. He's a comic book character with movies. Just like if you draft Luke Skywalker you get the Luke that's been in movies, comic books, and books...but he's a movie character.

And again, we're talking at most 2 characters per slot per person drafting with a huge number of wild cards. I really don't see how this is an issue.

And right now, we're not even close to 400. We're at 32x8=256. If we get up to 12 people, maybe I drop it down to 28 or 30 rounds which is still at most 360.