Post by Byrntrigan on Oct 31, 2008 13:22:45 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone will do a Law & Order Network...
We're getting close ;D
It would amuse me if next year Byrne did a women's fed or Texas fed. I'd just like to see how he tries to make it a dark, demonic, ECW homage led by James Mitchell or Raven. -- Lucky, 2009
see. i told you byrne was the way to go here. like i said, he's a big dork. -- Ziggy, 2009
how long a show lasted doesn't matter. cuz when it comes to the showdown, people are gonna be voting on which lineup of shows they liked better. whether a show ran 15 eps or 15 years, it's all gonna come down to whether the individual voter liked the show better or not.
I think the original concept was to put together a theoretical week of awesome television, not an entire season.
How does that work, though? I mean the worst shows on TV had good episodes. You can just grab that and run it and say "I'm good." Meanwhile shows that had long runs of quality lose their biggest strength because their 1 greatest episode isn't much better than a show that only had 1 really good episode?
EDIT: I mean, it seems like an inherent part of this should be things like "There was some great stuff in this show but it burned out quick and got bad." or "This show just got better as it went on giving me tons of material to build on."
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Wouldn't doing individual days make it kind of an impossible task? Like 7 showdowns for each day?
Speaking of, if the plan is to do a showdown then it might be best to cap the players at a showdown favorable number like 16. 20 means 4 byes randomly handed out.
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I think the original concept was to put together a theoretical week of awesome television, not an entire season.
How does that work, though? I mean the worst shows on TV had good episodes. You can just grab that and run it and say "I'm good." Meanwhile shows that had long runs of quality lose their biggest strength because their 1 greatest episode isn't much better than a show that only had 1 really good episode?
you're overthinking it.
for me, i would prefer a network that had journeyman over one with ER. journeyman lasted half a season, ER's been on forever. but in the most simplests terms i enjoyed journeyman more than i enjoyed ER. ER stinks. i hate ER. the world was robbed by journeyman getting cut off so soon. when choosing to vote, for me, journeyman would be a plus for it's network, ER would be a minus.
I think the original concept was to put together a theoretical week of awesome television, not an entire season.
How does that work, though? I mean the worst shows on TV had good episodes. You can just grab that and run it and say "I'm good." Meanwhile shows that had long runs of quality lose their biggest strength because their 1 greatest episode isn't much better than a show that only had 1 really good episode?
I think logistically there will have to be some concessions. Plus, if a show had 15 episodes, that can be stretched into a whole season these days with reruns and pre-emptions. It'll have to be assumed it could work unless you want to actually plan out an entire 30+ week TV season, day by day, hour by hour. Because if we're doing that... I'm OUT.
How about when we pick as show we're just assuming we're talking about that show at it's peak. However good that show was at any point in its run is what you'd assume it's being programmed to run. Besides, if the competition is going to be decided by subjective vote, it really doesn't matter how awesome someone thinks Seinfeld was, if enough people didn't like the show then your chances of winning go down.
The whole exercise is subjective.
Last Edit: Oct 31, 2008 13:35:38 GMT -5 by ALL CAPS
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Yeah, Lucky, I think you're overthinking it as well. I mean, Roseanne ranged from being amazing to being a mockery. Why don't we just imagine each show at its peak or best?
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I may very well be overthinking it, gay trio. I tend to do that. I just wanted to address it since it seemed like a logical question to me. To be honest I'm not really sure how to get my head around "a week" when "a season" seemed more natural to me. I mean, I wasn't expecting people to map out 52 weeks of TV, I'm just saying that it seems odd to draft a show like Journeyman and not take into consideration that it has a small number of episodes and that clearly factors into its appeal. You can only watch the same episodes so many times, and a show like Journeyman that had a serial plot that never resolved it is a factor to its subjective quality (in theory).
I agree, you can just say reruns or whatever fill it up. And of course its your perogative to choose Journeyman over ER because you prefer it and whether people agree will just factor into the showdown. But my point is just are we factoring in the actual run of the shows or are we just reducing every show to its single best episode and Sopranos is equal to some show that only ran 4 episodes but which I think were great? Because no matter how much I liked those 4 episodes seems like a big ole cheat to "build a network" without having to take that into consideration.
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Well, you CAN take that into consideration. That's the point. If you want to waste a pick on a show that only had 4 episodes based on how strong you think other people will perceive its quality, go for it. Maybe one of your days has a theme and a show that had 10 episodes REALLY fits well with the other shows on that night. It's a chance you'll have to take.
Last Edit: Oct 31, 2008 13:47:10 GMT -5 by ALL CAPS
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Ok, so we are factoring that it. That's cool. I was never suggesting Ziggy not draft Journeyman. If he wants to take that risk on the half season being appealing enough then that's his prerogative. I was just thrown off by the "awesome week not awesome season" thing. I didn't know if we were saying that Ziggy runs 1 episode of Journeyman or if he runs the whole run and then reruns it to fill the rest of the time.
The midseason replacement thing was just something random I thought of and thought I'd mention it.
EDIT: Cory, I was a horrible kid. I ALWAYS tried to turn mindless playing into organized games with scoring methods and purpose.
I have a distinctive memory of my sister playing with a balloon just knocking it around and amusing themselves and me trying to turn it into a game. Each of us had a zone to protect and if the balloon hit the ground or anything in it we lost a point, but we only had X amounts of hits allowed to get it out of our zone. They got fed up and wouldn't let me "play" while I just tried to figure out what the hell the point of this was if there was no organization and winner!
Really, horrible kid. Its while I hate them and won't give them candy today.
And no one would play Risk or Monopoly with me because I WANTED TO FINISH! WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF STARTING IF WE DON'T FINISH THE GAME?! GET BACK HERE UNTIL YOU GO BANKRUPT!
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So whatta we got here? 3 hours of tv per night, on 7 nights... say, an average of two 30min and two 60min shows per night, giving us an average of 28 shows per person to draft. My initial thought was 25 per person, but that was before these estimates. Too many, too few?
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So, I had an idea loosely based off the Wrestling Draft and something else Lucky mentioned when it came to a Chick draft. I think Eric had also mentioned this during the Wrestling Draft, but I'd kinda like to gage the interest in the concept of a Television draft type thing.
Some of you know I'm a big television person and I know a few others are as well and basically it would be to put together your own network. I'm not sure if it would be as much fun as the wrestling was or the chick could be, but it might work.
If there's any interest, I'll probably need help getting specifics down as to how many is a good # and how many hours of shows a person would be capped at. I think 20 people with 20 hours is a start, but I'm not sure if thats too much or not enough. Well 18-22 hours I think would be the limits for sure as thats 6 days (Sun-Fri) with 3 hours or 6 days (Mon-Sat) with 3 hours and Sunday with 4.
Specifics can be worked out if there's any interest.
Oct 28, 2008, 5:08pm, Solly Phanatic wrote: Something like you draft The Sopranos, I draft ER, etc?
Exactly like that. You can mix and match dramas, comedies, game shows, reality, etc. however you see fit. I would think as long as the show aired at any point from 7-11 at night you could use it. If someone wanted to draft Raw, they could. If someone wanted The Price is Right, they could.
I would think Monday-Friday (8-11) and Sunday (7-11) would be the ideal schedules for everyone. 19 hours of programming per participant.
I had planned to make it draft 1 hour blocks at a time (2 30 minute shows or 1 60 minute show and then just like drafting a trio in the wrestling draft you'd lose a pick for 2 hours, 2 picks for 3 hours) because that would make the draft exactly 19 rounds or 21 rounds depending on how we set up the schedule.
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Wow...take a simple idea and make my head explode.
Yea, the actual run of a show shouldn't matter here. Basically I'll drop a show I planned on using and use it as an example. Firefly was a disaster because Fox fucked with it, but it's a show I loved. I'm putting Firefly on my network if I can and theoretically if I was actually running a network, I'd promote it a lot better than Fox did so theoretically it wouldn't just be a 13 episode show because for me, the quality of Firefly warranted more.
Cop Rock and Viva Las Vegas as two examples are pure shit to me and therefore would have been cancelled after 2 episodes if they were on my network.
I kinda like the "midseason thing" in that after everyone has their 21 hours of programming if that's what we've decided on, you can add 3 supplemental hours of other programming, kinda similar to the manager/announcer portion of the wrestling draft.
For eligibility, I think it's a free-for-all. Network, cable, bbc...anything goes as long as it's a show that is basically a primetime show. I think if anyone has specific questions about a show, they should ask and we can discuss if it fits and I've already talked to a few people about something that I will allow. So use your best judgement but if you're curious just ask. I can give you some NO's already: Late Night Talk Shows (Letterman, Leno, etc.), Daytime soaps, and I kinda want to eliminate daily shows unless you're willing to make them air daily (Daily Show, Colbert, etc.).
But if we're doing the showdown at the end, remember that people may not be aware of certain shows. And for the showdowns, I think Best Overall Network is the big one, but I kinda like the idea of mini-showdowns as well where we don't even have to do brackets, but let's say we have 16 networks, make a poll with all 16 choices for Monday 8 PM and decide who'd win the ratings war, etc.
But I don't want to truly get caught up in stage 2 yet because as we saw with the wrestling draft, it may just not work. Everyone loved the draft more so I'm gonna focus on that for now.
The first thing I truly want to decide is the actual primetime schedule we're using. Are we just going to keep it the simple Mon-Sun (8-11) or is there any other options people may want?
So whatta we got here? 3 hours of tv per night, on 7 nights... say, an average of two 30min and two 60min shows per night, giving us an average of 28 shows per person to draft. My initial thought was 25 per person, but that was before these estimates. Too many, too few?
It may be worth doing 30 just to have mid-season replacements as well...
It would amuse me if next year Byrne did a women's fed or Texas fed. I'd just like to see how he tries to make it a dark, demonic, ECW homage led by James Mitchell or Raven. -- Lucky, 2009
see. i told you byrne was the way to go here. like i said, he's a big dork. -- Ziggy, 2009
Holy shit you guys take this stuff way too seriously. The next time someone bitches about the fantasy baseball draft, they are so banned!
Bossman, you said the same thing on the wrestler draft ;D
It would amuse me if next year Byrne did a women's fed or Texas fed. I'd just like to see how he tries to make it a dark, demonic, ECW homage led by James Mitchell or Raven. -- Lucky, 2009
see. i told you byrne was the way to go here. like i said, he's a big dork. -- Ziggy, 2009
lucky, maybe this is just me, but i'm thinking of the shows more abstractly. i'm not thinking of journeyman as in "it's good enough that i can run the same 12 episodes over and over." i'm just thinking of it in terms of a show i liked. now, i'm not saying you shouldn't. but when i see a show like that, i'm just judging it on how much i enjoyed it.
like averaging enjoyment. take every episode of journeyman and rate it from 1-10. then average them and you have your score. let's pretend it get a 8.4 as it's average. then take the 5,000 episodes of ER and rate them from 1-10. then average them. let's pretend that gets a 3.7. for me journeyman wins, regardless of episodes.
i mean, to each his own, but that's how i'm looking at it.
That's cool, Zig. I was just trying to figure out if there was some uniform way we were looking at it. If I love Journeyman too I'd probably go in thinking "I love it but it only had X episodes so I figured I couldn't count on it." You draft it and we determine that in our world Journeyman actually got 6 seasons of kick ass quality or whatever and I just judged things by rules I made up and didn't matter.
And I get your point. I've never seen a single episode of ER and would have no personal use for it. That its run for God knows how long successfully doesn't really change that. I kind of went into the wrestling draft thinking that stuff mattered and then finding out it didn't mid way through when Hulk Hogan became like the 21st guy selected despite his undeniable drawing power. Because that drawing power was meaningless for the standards, I just didn't get that at first.
I was just asking questions because you guys are clearly thinking of it differently than I was. So now I can have a slightly better idea how this works (even if I'm still not quite getting my head around the idea of "averages" and made up episodes/seasons). Its just my nature to ask questions and figure out where the lines are.
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