[williamssl]

This is where we'll crown the king (or queen) of the also-rans - those villains that didn't make the final 8 on either Marvel or DC side.

This matchup has Marvel's Dark Phoenix going up against DC's Black Adam.

Wiki's:

Dark Phoenix

Black Adam


A few things:

• You're voting for who you think is the greatest supervillain, or the greater of the two. It's not about who could beat the other up.
  
• You can only vote once.
  
• The poll will open Sunday evening, December 10 and close at 10 pm Eastern on Wed, Dec 13, so have your vote in by then for it to count.
  

[williamssl]

Voting is now open. Stealing (again) a quote from Sergeial, "Vote up, bitches".

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Never heard of either. I'll abstain unless somebody makes a compelling case of one over the other.

[Deleted]

Have you seen X-Men 3?

Jean Grey's character was essentially Dark Phoenix.

I have no fucking clue who Black Adam is. I'll read his Wiki in a few.

[Deleted]

Just checked. Black Adam is teh gay. Don't vote for him.

[Lucky]

You just hate him because he's arab. Racist.

[Deleted]

Yes. That's exactly right. I hate all Arabs unless they're driving my taxi or serving my Slurpee-goodness.

Seriously, he's just pathetic. Gives guys named Adam a bad rep.

[Loki]

gatorbait said:

Yes. That's exactly right. I hate all Arabs unless they're driving my taxi or serving my Slurpee-goodness.

Seriously, he's just pathetic. Gives guys named Adam a bad rep.

Shows what YOU know. Pull your mind off Cort's 15 pounds of manhood and read some his appearances in JSA. The character is teh awsum.

[National Champion Chris Cole]

Well I thought the whole Phoenix crap was the worst part about X3. Still I've at least heard of her so that is where my vote will go this round.

[Loki]

It's awesome voting logic like that that explains SO MUCH about this fine county of ours.



"Whut? Election Time? Who's runnin'? Smith and who else?"

"......"

"Never 'eard of that other feller. Have 'eard of Smith, tho."

"......"

"A'ight, so the reason I 'eard about 'im wuz cuz he was convicted of 'aving sex with a sheep. Still, whut's that other guy done? Nuthin that I've 'eard of! I've 'eard of Smith, so he'll git my vote!"

[williamssl]

Dark Phoenix is MUCH better looking too. Don't forget that logic. I'd do the obligatory pics but can't from my Blackberry.

[Loki]

So let's see if I got this right - you work for a phone company that is also an INTERNET PROVIDER, yet you're handicapped into what you can do on the net.




Just checkin....

[williamssl]

I am handicapped only in so much as I am mobile right and using my frickin' blackberry which is great for browsing and typing responses to annoying posts but not so good at having multiple browser windows opening, saving/uploading files to photobucket, etc.

If nothing else, the fact that I am using my frickin' Blackberry to stay connected to this asinine site and actually make posts to it should tell you:
1) I'm using technology. It is my friend.
2) I need a life (as do we all....)

Now don't make me go over to the receptionist at the dr.'s office I'm sitting in and ask if I can use her computer because "I need to find a few pics of Dark Phoenix to post in a comics thread on some online board because a guy named Loki who hails from Cleveland of all places has egged me into this". I'd get an automatic referral to the nut ward.

And typing all this on a frickin' Blackberry keyboard was a pain in the ass.

[Batman]

I never saw X3, but if they tried to cram the Dark Phoenix Saga into a subplot of a 2 hour movie, that would definitely suck. It's a "saga," people!

Maybe if I had read the JSA issues loki's talking about, I'd feel differently, but I doubt it. The Dark Phoenix thing was huge, and it made a big impact on me as a kid.

[The Canadian Content]

Jean Grey is more hero than villain to me, so I'm voting Black Adam.

[Loki]

williamssl said:

I am handicapped only in so much as I am mobile right and using my frickin' blackberry which is great for browsing and typing responses to annoying posts but not so good at having multiple browser windows opening, saving/uploading files to photobucket, etc.

If nothing else, the fact that I am using my frickin' Blackberry to stay connected to this asinine site and actually make posts to it should tell you:
1) I'm using technology. It is my friend.
2) I need a life (as do we all....)

Now don't make me go over to the receptionist at the dr.'s office I'm sitting in and ask if I can use her computer because "I need to find a few pics of Dark Phoenix to post in a comics thread on some online board because a guy named Loki who hails from Cleveland of all places has egged me into this". I'd get an automatic referral to the nut ward.

And typing all this on a frickin' Blackberry keyboard was a pain in the ass.

I don't know what's better - that he bit on that and actually gave a long response or the image of him dinking away the long response on his Crackberry at the doctor's office - "I'll show that Loki! I'll show him!" ;D ;D ;D ;D

[williamssl]

Dink this bitch. There - short and sweet.


Ooooh lookie I can edit from blackberry.

choice is: do this shit, or read old People mag about how Anna Nicole's son died. That I read last time I was here.

[williamssl]

gatorbait said:

Seriously, he's just pathetic. Gives guys named Adam a bad rep.

Hmmm....maybe we should start referring to the 6-year old Ryan as Adam then.....

[The Canadian Content]

The Real Adam.

[Lucky]

sergeial said:

Maybe if I had read the JSA issues loki's talking about, I'd feel differently, but I doubt it. The Dark Phoenix thing was huge, and it made a big impact on me as a kid.

Dude, go read JSA. I mean, like NOW. Seriouslly.

And then you'd at least feel bad about picking Phoenix over Adam. Anyone who reads JSA and Black Reign and doesn't walk away loving Black Adam gets a Super Duper Smite from me.

Still, this arguement isn't worth making. I didn't even know who the guy was before I read that series and I'm not sure a synopsis sums it up. "He's a bad ass anti-hero who leads a crew of anti-heroes to take over the arab country of his homeland, depose and kill the tryants leading it, and rule it mercifully thus gaining the love of his people while being declared a merciless tyrant by the rest of the world." Phoenix is gonna win because the story and character is so much more readily known.

But seriouslly, go read JSA. JSA single handedly turned me into a DC fan. With an assist from Starman. Its just such a great series and it made me a fan of so many people I either had no idea of before the series or really hated (like Captain Marvel).

[salmonjunkie]

I never read much of Black Adam. He always seemed like he was simply The Magus to Captain Marvel's Adam Warlock.


The Dark Phoenix saga was AWESOME. And yes, Jean Grey IS a hero. But Dark Phoenix is most certainly one badass villain. Not to mention, Dark Phoenix made Jean Grey become the Hellfire Club's Black Queen for a time, and wore this:

[The Canadian Content]

luckylopez said:

"He's a bad ass anti-hero who leads a crew of anti-heroes to take over the arab country of his homeland, depose and kill the tryants leading it, and rule it mercifully thus gaining the love of his people while being declared a merciless tyrant by the rest of the world."

Dammit. I now wish I'd voted Phoenix. I still don't think she should count as a villain, but the description above is just too good -- if the person you're describing is Doctor Doom. Leave out the part about leading anti-heroes (he's a solo act), and you've got Doom to a tee.

[Lucky]

If in describing Black Adam I made him sound like Doctor Doom then I fucked up. I'm a HUGE Doom fan who read probably 400 of the first 500 Fantastic Four issues. He topped my Marvel list and probably would get my vote over Adam. But Adam is most definitely not a ripoff. If it happened in the last 6 years or so I'm probably unaware, but before that I'm there. Doom is evil. He may have a genuine commitment to his country but much of it is over the lust for power. He uses his country as sancuatary and support for whatever scheme he has cooking, whether it be saving his mommy from the devil, framing Reed Richards, or just bribing the UN. Adam does it out of the grief over what has happened to his people over hundreds of years that he was forced to stand idly by and allow happen. Doom is evil. Noone has ever questioned that. He has bases of morality and humane motivations but in the end he is a power hungry, evil tyrant. Adam has a different set of morals than the heroes and is thus a villain.

He took control of a monastery of monks to make them his techno tailor.
Doom brainwashed a child into believing that he was Doom because his ego needed to live on.
He sold his girlfriend's soul to demons for power.

Doom's evil. Adam's status is questionable (although he is a villain). They ain't the same guy. I said first time through that my description of Black Adam and the Black Reign story would be inapt and clearly it was.

Sal, I believe you're assumption of Adam was correct until Heoff Johns reinvented him recently in JSA. They really seperated him, gave him a deep backroung and linked him to Hawkman and Dr Fate, gave him a compelling moral outlook and a true conscience, and just made him bad ass to all hell.

[The Canadian Content]

I was joking.

I actually liked Adam in the latest Crisis, even though I was entirely unfamiliar with the character. Given his costume, I assumed he was the anti-Shazam (i.e. Shazam's Bizarro), but I soon saw that he's far deeper than that. He came across as a pretty cool badass.

[The Canadian Content]

Speaking of Black Adam, Justice #9 goes on sale tomorrow. Here's the cover art: