[Byrntrigan]

That's an idea Greg. I guess I need to see how many people would do one over the other.

So who is gonna do what?

[Deleted]

I prefer Dead's idea. (No offense, Dash.)

[Deadly]

My plan is to just do one normal card with a tiny amount of back-story. If we do the 'Best Month' thing, and I really like my roster, I could see myself maybe trying it. But overall, I'm drafting for one card.

[The Canadian Content]

I'm fine with whatever's ultimately decided. As I mentioned, I'd rather do a single card and leave it at that, but I'm not adamant about it. I'll play either way.

Byrnie, you're going to have to make the call, and there's no way in hell everyone's going to be happy about the decision, but you're running this thing and we're not, so fuck us. Do whatever you feel works best.

[Deadly]

May 26, 2010 11:17:11 GMT -5 The Canadian Content said:

Ultimately, Byrnie, you're going to have to make the call, and there's no way in hell everyone's going to be happy about the decision, but you're running this thing and we're not, so fuck us. Do whatever you feel works best.

This.

[Mr. Dashbee]

May 26, 2010 11:11:16 GMT -5 @gatorbait said:

I prefer Dead's idea. (No offense, Dash.)

No worries Gator. As long as I get to book multiple cards, I don't care if it's all inclusive or if I have to pay for dinner. Either way, I'm on vacation.

[Byrntrigan]

May 26, 2010 11:17:51 GMT -5 Deadly said:

May 26, 2010 11:17:11 GMT -5 The Canadian Content said:

Ultimately, Byrnie, you're going to have to make the call, and there's no way in hell everyone's going to be happy about the decision, but you're running this thing and we're not, so fuck us. Do whatever you feel works best.

This.

I need a listing of who defintiely wants multiple cards as a requirement, and who wants 1 please. All I know if that the multicard people are the bigger "complainers"...

[Deadly]

You know where I stand, Byrnie. I'm in for 1 card.

[Mr. Dashbee]

In for multiple cards as an option. If it needs to be consistent across the board, then I guess I'm in for multiple cards as a requirement.

[Deleted]

Prefer 1 card, but I won't argue either way.

[Road Warrior Shark]

May 26, 2010 11:58:26 GMT -5 Mr. Dashbee said:

In for multiple cards as an option. If it needs to be consistent across the board, then I guess I'm in for multiple cards as a requirement.

Ditto

[DevSop]

Multiple cards without question. I honestly can't see how hard it is to make 4 or 5 cards.

[Deleted]

MAKING the cards isn't the issue. It's all the supercilious write-ups that people usually do for them.

Multiple card LISTINGS? Sounds fine by me. Multiple card WRITEUPS? Not nearly as excited for that.

[Deadly]

For me, the actual draft itself is the most fun. When that's over, I'm content to put out one card and see how it does. For others, the draft is just a means to an end. Seems like the fun for a lot of you guys is the storytelling that happens after the draft. I'm sure we can figure something out for both sets of folks.

[Road Warrior Shark]

May 26, 2010 13:07:22 GMT -5 @gatorbait said:

Multiple card LISTINGS? Sounds fine by me. Multiple card WRITEUPS? Not nearly as excited for that.

This is all that should be needed.. You want to go more in depth? Go for it.
I didn't do a whole lot more that that last year. I certainly didnt do the promos and such to the level Eco, Dashbee and others did. & I finished in the final 4. Eric won and did about as much as I did.

What I did was more like a quick summary of "How we got here" I summarized each match finish a few days after the card was posted... OO recap-ish

[Mr. Dashbee]

May 26, 2010 13:15:14 GMT -5 Deadly said:

For me, the actual draft itself is the most fun. When that's over, I'm content to put out one card and see how it does. For others, the draft is just a means to an end. Seems like the fun for a lot of you guys is the storytelling that happens after the draft. I'm sure we can figure something out for both sets of folks.

This.

The draft is awesome. I love the process, making changes, seeing the card evolve, etc. That's why I incorporate the draft itself into the story I tell. It's not a means to an end, it's a significant part of the story. I plan to do the same this year.

The more everyone talks, the more I see that it's all personal preference. I love telling the story and I love all the feedback I get (good & bad, PMs & posts) about it. I've been given great ideas and try to incorporate things you guys give me if at all possible.

Honestly, in year 1 I drafted & told a story that was purely intended for one card. But then I wanted to keep going, and it got a life of its own. Now I know that I want to go long term, so I draft differently.

But I do see that not everyone feels the same way. Hell, each of us that tells stories eventually loses steam. I don't think it'd be that hard to make multiple cards at a minimum, but telling the story is a totally different thing. I also recognize that some people just want to draft the best available talent and pair them up for one card. I wish it could be optional, but looking back it does seem like it would effect the voting.

I'm telling the story either way, but will provide whatever is required for the showdown. And for those of you that do like reading & following my story, buckle in...I'm planning for a fun ride this summer (& hopefully beyond).

[creepy]

I honestly don't care, I'll do whatever is decided. I just hope people don't start acting like assholes because they didn't get their way.

[Deleted]

May 26, 2010 14:04:58 GMT -5 creepy said:

I honestly don't care, I'll do whatever is decided. I just hope people don't start acting like assholes because they didn't get their way.

Did you forget where you're posting?

[Eric O'Mac]

I'll just point out what Sharky did. I did multiple cards last year, and all I did were basic results. The only thing I really got indepth with was the Royal Rumble,and the IronMan match. I tried to tell stories, but I don't have the storywriting gene that Eco and Dash have. Soinstead, I let my matches tell the stories, with minimal input from me. For example, if you read my first card, you knew there was a Royal Rumble to determine a champion. The runner-up would get a shot at the title at the second card. Also on the first card was a tag team tournament, with the winners of said tournament picking the stipulations for the 4-way tag title match at the 3rd card. But that's it. I didn't do a lot of promos, or hype. I just gave you the bare bones, and that's it. And that's one of the things I mentioned when me and Eco were in the finals. I always said, please look at this on a card vs. card basis. I know Eco put in a lot of work, and it was damn good work, but please vote on what you think the best card is.

I know some people voted because they liked to see a story, and I never really got that. When I voted last year, it was always card vs. card. Which card would I pay to see if I had to choose? I know Solly had a damn good card last year, and he kept the same card for the second round. I voted for him both times.

I'm ultimately OK with whatever goes down. I honestly think we can run this draft in a very similar position as we did last year and let people who want to do stories make up multiple cards and people who want to do a single card just do a single card, as long as people can honestly say they'll vote based on if they could only watch one show, which show would they watch. And if we can't do it, then what ever happens, happens. I'm still going to be in it for good, because the most fun is the drafting, the creativity. And regardless, I'll be drafting for multiple cards this year, despite what we decide, because, honestly, if I'm only allowed to do one card for the entire showdown, that won't be a problem, because last year, I felt that I could have submitted NCWF 2, 3, 4, or 5 and had a damn good shot to win against any other single card.

So boss man, it's up to you. Either way, I'm going for the win.

(Just so we are clear - I'm in favor of multiple cards, but will do whatever)

[Demko]

I'm in the single card camp.

[The Canadian Content]

After fleshing out a (kickass) idea, I'm changing my vote. I support the multiple card system.

[Mr. Dashbee]

May 27, 2010 11:47:23 GMT -5 The Canadian Content said:

After fleshing out a (kickass) idea, I'm changing my vote. I support the multiple card system.

Hang on to that idea, it could be valuable trade bait for later in the draft...

[The Canadian Content]

Damn straight.

I even wrote it down this time so I don't forget it.

[Sportsguy]

I'd prefer one card, but I'll go along with what the majority decides. Also, where the hell were you "I'm just voting on who has the best card" people last year when I had a fucking kick ass card and got killed?

[Lucky]

I prefer the option. To me requiring multiple cards or one card is like forcing people to create backstories for their matches or say they're just random matches. Its your personal preference. But if we need a single rule I vote Multi. I'd also be fine with that duel showdown thing.

I actually LIKE huge rosters. I'm always using valets and lackies and building big matches, so I'd just like to stay at 40. I understand the concerns but ultimately I think if you think you're done at 32... then just stop. Tell Byrne to skip you the rest of the way or draft the Nitro Girls. Add some refs and ring announcers for the sake of authenticity. What's the big deal? You're not required to have 38 WRESTLERS who you use on your card. Just 40 employees. And if you don't want that, hey that's your call. Leaves more for everyone else.

On the seeding thing I don't thing TEW will work for it. I need to get my hands on TNM, I think. If anyone has it or knows it PM me as I'd like to pick your brain.

I'm gonna put up the 2008 TEW Draft tonight and lay out some info on what I need from you guys to do it. Nothing really, so don't worry. I was waiting because I was trying to get the graphics working but I got distracted and I'll never finish that by June 7th. So I might as well just post the game sans' working graphics and let you get the sense of it. After I run through it this evening to make sure it works.