[Matte]

Fish trades Crash and Spike for Matte's Show and Knox.

[The Canadian Content]

Jul 10, 2010 10:09:07 GMT -5 Matte said:

Fish trades Crash and Spike for Matte's Show and Knox.

Confirmed

[Matte]

Matte trades Punk, Gallows and Shane McMahon for Eric's Ki, Red and Lynn.

Sorry people who wanted Punk. There were so many offers I couldn't even compare them. I just went with this one because I like Low Ki.

[Eric O'Mac]

Confirm.

[Lucky]

Who is "Shane"?

[Lucky]

Jul 10, 2010 10:09:07 GMT -5 Matte said:

Fish trades Crash and Spike for Matte's Show and Knox.

Wow. Uh... really?

[Eric O'Mac]

I wanted McMahon. I assume that's who I'm getting.

[Matte]

McMahon, sorry. Forgot I had multiple Shanes.

And shut up, Lucky. I love Crash and Spike. Show and Knox are big and slow and not exciting.

[Lucky]

Its an absurdly one sided deal, man. Lets not play dumb.

EDIT: I mean, whatever. I'm not gonna put up a big stink over it. But come on.

[Matte]

In all honesty, I do prefer Crash and Spike over Show and Knox. One sided it may be, but it's my preference too. Knox has always bored me, Show has had some times when he's awesome but otherwise I never care about him. Crash was a crazy dude who always brought excitement with him and Spike has always been one of my favorite little guys, especially when he's playing the heel.

Anyway, I'm out until late tonight. Dev can text me if my venue round pick comes up.

[Chris Eco]

I think the thing is here is that Matte is trading out a fed geared to win to one full of people he might personally enjoy more. I get that. If I did that now, I'd be trading out Kerry Von Erich for Santino Marella.

[Lucky]

Like I said, I'm really not going to make a thing of it. I know Matte is playing fair and not just firesaling. I don't understand that trade at all. Matte is moving "someone who always bores him" and someone he sometimes enjoys but usually "never cares for." So hey, that makes sense, right? Two people he doesn't really like for 2 people he does. If that seems a little uneven to us, so be it, but from his perspective its cool. Of course the wrinkle is he's trading away his very own 5th and 12th Rd picks so those cold reviews seem odd. But hell, people make draft mistakes. I've drafted people on impulse, or because they were the "best option available", or for a plan that I ended up ditching later.

I think all the deals have been kinda iffy. I don't want to act like I didn't benefit from Matte moving parts and thus me getting 2nd, 4th and 6th Rd talents for 7th, 8th, and 13th Rd talents. But I think I could make the case that I'm downgrading tag teams, breaking up a great 2nd tag team, and losing an underrated talent for the ability to score some big parts that fit my fed well.

I think swapping a 38th Rd slug and one of the most criticized announcers in the game for one of the best announcers around and an 11th Rd pick regarded by some of as one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. But I guess you COULD make the defense that one is a sports entertainment dream and former World Champion and the other an obscure smark favorite.

I just don't "see" the logic of the Big Show trade. But I trust Matte to be playing the game and I know he wasn't willing to just take ANYTHING from me when we were talking. So is he willing to make bad deals to move talents he no longer wants to get talents he enjoys and sees potential for? Yeah, I guess so. And that's cool. Which is why I said I wasn't gonna make a stink. It was just my immediate reaction when I saw that trade going "Wow."

I don't know. I guess it just feels like a slippery slope to me. But I guess if Matte wants Big Show off his roster he's getting him off his roster one way or another.

[Lucky]

I've sort of fallen out of love with James Mitchell and Sean O'Haire. I still dig them but losing Shinzaki and Hayabusa changes things for them and they're now kind of in limbo. So if you're interested, they're available. Individually or as a package but I don't have much of a use for Mitchell without O'Haire.

I've also sort of changed my mind on my women's division. So while I'm not going so far as to say the obvious big names are available I am willing to move someone for the right deal. I'm not unloading, I'm still having a women's division. But I'm questioning some ideas and looking to restructure.

To no real surprise, Dragon Kid is available. To a lesser extent so is Volador Jr. And Jerrelle Clark, obviously.

I took Dustin Rhodes because I sort of had to. But Dustin Rhodes is pretty meh and I'm not sure what to do with Goldust. So if you're interested I'll move him for the right deal.

[Beer Baron]

TRADE

Matte trades: Jinsei Shinzaki

Beer Baron trades: Simon Diamond

[Matte]

Hmmm... Ok, confirm.

[Lucky]

So, Dev. I am NOT trading you them, but I'm kind of curious. What would you give me for Edge/Christian?

[DevSop]

I'd probably consider something like Young Bucks and Briscoes maybe.

[Eric O'Mac]

Just a notice to everyone - outside of the 8 guys that I have announced matches for, everyone else is tradeable. Hernandez is the biggest name of that group but there is some good talent here.

And if you want one of those 8 guys (Malenko, Angle, Guerrero, Punk, Lethal, MVP, Doug Williams, Kaz) then I want someone equal in return.

[Chris Eco]

In an update of my own rhetoric: Danielson is still untouchable, but I am willing to hear strong offers for Michaels and Mysterio. No promises as I like them a lot, but if you want them and have an offer, PM me.

EDIT: BIG ASS TRADE OF BIGASSNESS!

Eric gets Shawn Michaels and Kenta Kobashi
Eco gets Eddie Guerrero and Hernandez

[Eric O'Mac]

Confirm. With this trade, Chavo Guerrero Jr, Hector Garza, and Tyson Dux are all on the block.

[Lucky]

I've said this but it doesn't hurt to say again.

I will trade any combination of Goldust, Sean O'Haire, James Mitchell, Dragon Kid, and Jerrelle Clark for ONE really valuable name. Doesn't HAVE to be a main eventer. A nice upper midcarder is fine. 3 for 1, 4 for 1, even 5 for 1. Then I'll take the dregs of your roster to make the rosters work.

Mistico, Volador Jr, the Havana Pitbulls, many of my women... they can all enter the conversation as well. I'm not rigid on TOO much of my roster. But those guys I mentioned first are really kind of lost right now and I'd like to get good value for them, and I'm fine doing a "quantity for quality" deal.

So do you have a top heavy roster you wouldn't mind adding some depth to? Do you really like some of those guys you missed out on in the middle rounds and wouldn't mind getting a package of them? Is there a top guy you have you're having trouble locking into a place on your roster/card? We can talk.

[Fire-Babe]

TRADE!!

Dashbee gets Legacy (Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiasi, and venue pick 17
Fire gets Roderick Strong, Lince Dorado, and Venue Pick 14.

[Mr. Dashbee]

Affirmed.

[Fire-Babe]

and another trade:

Fire gets Trent Acid.
Dev gets Lince Dorado

[DevSop]

Confirm